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Your soldering lacks flux, probably not a skill issue.

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Frostbyte wrote:

Wait, does it kill stereo effects?

Yes.  You have to pan everything to one side.  Also, this may not be obvious, but it only works on stuff with stereo output.
In almost every live setting your signal would be summed to mono anyway.

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I use a great plethora of panning effects, and have been using this method to record my channels separately and cleanly so I can layer and pan them independently without quadrupling the noise floor. Maintaining your panning effects requires you to record an LCR, recording JUST the stuff on the left of your entire song, then JUST the stuff in the center, then JUST the stuff on the right. This does take a while, but it is totally worth it. Having a true mono center instead of the false phantom center created by the gameboy's output leaves room in the mix for other instruments or vocals, or just increased stereo possibilities. Panning stereo signals BLOWS.
The advent of the PISSbox streamlines this process GREATLY. PISSbox will eliminate the need for me to bounce the two signals together in Protools (which bounces in real time... HOURS).

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12ianma wrote:

Your soldering lacks flux, probably not a skill issue.

Yeah, and shitty iron. Those "pegs" sticking out of the solder joints are a tell-tale sign of this. I can't stand a 30 W iron that looses its heat as soon as you touch a joint. You need a reasonable quality temperature controlled iron. Something like a Weller or a Hakko. Of course, a lot of it is technique, like preheating the component before applying the solder, applying flux if needed or using flux core wire as well as keeping the tip clean. My preferred method for this is using a brass sponge, rather than a wet sponge.
^ Soldering micro tutorial

Anyway, if I'm understanding this correctly, it's a center tap transformer, where you drive the outer sides with left and right. A couple of thoughts: This is a double sided board right? I'm almost certain it could be optimized to use only one side. However, this probably wouldn't be much use since the jacks you're using are SMD and you want all components on the same side. Are the two sides of the transformer galvanically isolated? This could be an added benefit from using this circuit, if designed properly. Yet another, more expensive idea (both in terms of components and design) is to make the circuit active by using an opamp as a differential amplifier, driven by phantom power.
Or, yet another idea (Sorry for killing this darling early by thinking for a minute) hook up a 3.5 mm jack so that it connects to a balanced input. I guess this is as simple as using a 3.5 mm -> 6.35 mm ("1/8" -> 1/4) stereo cable, given that the mixer has a 1/4 in balanced input jack. So there you go...

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its one-sided except for a single trace that could have easily been routed up top, except the entire bottom is a big ground plane anyways so the cost would be the same.  like you say its all thru hole expect the SMD jacks, so your trace is the same whether on top or bottom.  it didn't matter for this project in terms of saving cost on copper, or any other reason really (other than just to do it, i guess)

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My point about single sided boards is that when you have a heavy component like a transformer, you want to place the component on the opposite side of the copper, for mechanical stability. If you have it on the same side, the weight from the transformer could lift off the copper.from the board. So for a single sided board, this limits your choices to having the jacks (SMD) on the opposite side to the transformer.

Anyway, see my idea about galvanic isolation, i.e. not connecting the two sides of the transformer.

Or, replicating basically the same effect as this mod by connecting the stereo output to a balanced mixer input.

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egr wrote:

removing noise floor

circuit by datathrash

I find that somewhat somewhat ironic

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egr wrote:
SKGB wrote:

FERK YER

so, will you have kits of these or schematics at brkfest?

I'll have kits for sure!

save one for me!

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honestly i think the cure us worse than the disease. Noise live isnt really a big deal. Have you listen to the idle amps at a punk show recently?

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nitro2k01 wrote:

Or, replicating basically the same effect as this mod by connecting the stereo output to a balanced mixer input.

HA!  Oh fucking shit, yeah that works too.  Fuck.  neutral

I"ve been trying understand "transformer isolated" but since the transformer is before the summing resistors I didn't think it would be a benefit?

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herr_prof wrote:

honestly i think the cure us worse than the disease. Noise live isnt really a big deal. Have you listen to the idle amps at a punk show recently?

True. I'm overly picky about it, but no one even mentions the noise besides sound guys.

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egr wrote:

I"ve been trying understand "transformer isolated" but since the transformer is before the summing resistors I didn't think it would be a benefit?

OH so this is a single tap transformer that you're using just as an inverter. Then there's the risk that you'll get a phase difference and/or difference in amplitude between the positive and negative signal. And the tranformer is sensitive to picking up certain noise. In the end, you may get more noise than you started out with.

I'm having difficulty reading the schematic from the board. In part because I can't see the bottom side, in part because the solder mask makes it difficult to see the traces. For example, I can't see that jack one is connected anywhere at all (except for to the big ground plane). No traces as far as I can see, and no vias to the other side. Would you mind providing the schematic?

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Another application would be to fade only the mono portion of a track in/out smoothly.
Probly some others I haven't thought of.

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nitro2k01 wrote:
egr wrote:

I"ve been trying understand "transformer isolated" but since the transformer is before the summing resistors I didn't think it would be a benefit?

OH so this is a single tap transformer that you're using just as an inverter. Then there's the risk that you'll get a phase difference and/or difference in amplitude between the positive and negative signal. And the tranformer is sensitive to picking up certain noise. In the end, you may get more noise than you started out with.

The possbile amplitude difference is why the pot is on there.
As for the phase differrence, the signals are EXTREMELY close to nulling out completely with the units I've built so I don't think that's an issue (I have to turn every gain I have all the way up to detect anything at all).
Don't know if the transformer might pick up anything else.  I've got cables and amps and crap running all over my workspace and I haven't experienced that.

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So what could you use this for in making recordings and preserving stereo effects? Record it three times LCR and put them together I guess? It sounds bamf for live stuff mostly!

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Frostbyte wrote:

So what could you use this for in making recordings and preserving stereo effects? Record it three times LCR and put them together I guess?

Thats the general idea.  Ive been using it when multitracking but always with mono material.