xX 8 BIT CHAMPION Xx wrote:

people can use ucollective.org for storage?

Sure? Or any of the free services out there. Though I suspect ucollective will end up having the same issues when the data size is too large for cheap services- or when the cheaper services bottleneck.

Just saw this on my monthly cm.o visit

I'm actually going to do incremental backups. Select tracks by date from the database and backup those uploaded in the specified timeframe.

I have unlimited storage at a fixed price, so I'm not worried about running out of space, but I do want to move to S3 and buy a small dedicated because at the moment I have jailed shell access (which royally sucks).

Anyway, might be something to think about Mr 80.

-Sam

egr wrote:

Or maybe just a "disk space max" for each user so if you were uploading mods or sids you could have a lot but rendered tracks would use up your quota really fast.  Might encourage more source sharing?

But it would be nice to have mp3s for the music players... Reminds me that I want the ability to attach a source mod / sid / whatever to a mp3 post.

That's funny, because I wanted to attach an mp3 link to my source .ahx that I uploaded some days ago. I pasted the link into the description, but it's not clickable. It'd be kind of cool if bbcode could be used song descriptions. That way we could utilize the [mp3*] (or was it [music?]) tag for files stored off-site, and upload modules for playback on this site. Eh... I guess that idea has many flaws and holes, though.

I personally prefer the idea of a storage limit over a track limit. A person could get around the system and upload a single long mp3 with a whole set of songs if they wanted to. Plus, I'd like to be able to upload a bunch of modules since they don't take up as much storage space. But we don't have players for most of the supported modules, so it'd be useless...

As music is very subjective I worry about 3rd party selection. I think letting the artist decide their best tracks is probably the most sensible option. 5 is very generous. I think the 3 best would cover it.

I have no music on here precisely BECAUSE I want to make sure the stuff I put up is of quality. I mean look at the list of users. But maybe I'm overly critical.

One man's trash is another man's treasure. Just because you may be overly critical of a song doesn't mean there isn't an audience that would truly enjoy it. I admit I, myself, have questioned bringing out tracks on all mediums and receiving great reception a number of times even though there's moments where I feel the need to change things in a song.

As a musician, our songs are never quite finished, and we'll always find something new to do with them, much like an artist and his works. It's how we present them in the end that matters to the audience. I personally thank An0va for giving me that advice before when I was first getting into writing chip music.

That being said, this is a fantastic idea for the site. Even as a new member to the CM.org community, I have some deep roots now with the Philadelphia chip scene and personally, I feel this move to limit the amount of songs stored here is a great idea! Soundcloud integration is great but it limits what file types you can upload. Should someone want to upload nsf or a number of other native file types, they're SOL. Just my two cents.

I have no music on here precisely BECAUSE I want to make sure the stuff I put up is of quality. I mean look at the list of users. But maybe I'm overly critical.

I've been noticing how often the phrase "the music on this site" is used in a dismissive or derogatory way.  I tend to do it too.

I want to suggest that rather than keeping a limited version of the current music section, just scrap it altogether and start over with a completely different and curated system.  Possibly even something as totalitarian as micromusic.net had (has?).

Let's have a fresh start and change what "the music on this site" means.

EDIT:  I volunteer to help curate.  I've got time.

Lazerbeat wrote:

I'm curious what the database stats are. How many members have uploaded, average songs per user, how many song for users who haven't logged in in over 6 months and stuff like that.

Currently the music section doesn't really seem to work that well as a showcase because there is such a huge volume of content, I personally tend to listen to albums / eps from net labels I like as they have already gone through at least one quality / curation / whatevet filter. The consensus seems to be nobody wants a chart / automated ranking system based on likes / comments / plays per week or month. Also nobody seems to want to step up and curate a periodic selection. I think a forced quality control on the users by limiting the number of songs will go some way to solve the volume problem but it is still a pretty large chunk of tunes.

Ideally I would like to see an automated weekly top 5 based on something like the 8bc filter trash 80 wrote for the "top" 5 songs then a curated weekly list of 5 more "hidden gems" displayed at the top of the page with the wb player for back end. If "drama" is a concern then we could lock comments on those "top" tracks for the week following or something.

Edit : sorry another idea, top of the page could be. : Top5, hidden gems, all 3 tracks from the "artist of the week" that would be 13 tracks at the top of the page all curated or selected by different criteria, a nice little cross section of what the site has to offer content wise.

What if the top 5 curated artists each choose a track for the next week? On top of and automated "most liked" thing. If one doesn't pick a song one week, then it will be given to the most popular automated artists, descending from the top of the list.

So we start with 5 people to curate 5 tracks. Then those 5 artists curate for the next week. And fall back on the automated list if needed.

Or something.

That's a system just begging for a circlejerk. Just saying.

I personally like the idea of limiting tracks to 5 (Although I don't really use the music section anyway). Fact of the matter is that there are a lot of free services for hosting your tracks and barely anyone goes and listens through the back catalogues of artists on cm.o. At least, I don't know anyone who does. Bandcamp/soundcloud seems to be the way to go for that kind of thing.

I'm curious what the database stats are. How many members have uploaded, average songs per user, how many song for users who haven't logged in in over 6 months and stuff like that.

Currently the music section doesn't really seem to work that well as a showcase because there is such a huge volume of content, I personally tend to listen to albums / eps from net labels I like as they have already gone through at least one quality / curation / whatevet filter. The consensus seems to be nobody wants a chart / automated ranking system based on likes / comments / plays per week or month. Also nobody seems to want to step up and curate a periodic selection. I think a forced quality control on the users by limiting the number of songs will go some way to solve the volume problem but it is still a pretty large chunk of tunes.

Ideally I would like to see an automated weekly top 5 based on something like the 8bc filter trash 80 wrote for the "top" 5 songs then a curated weekly list of 5 more "hidden gems" displayed at the top of the page with the wb player for back end. If "drama" is a concern then we could lock comments on those "top" tracks for the week following or something.

Edit : sorry another idea, top of the page could be. : Top5, hidden gems, all 3 tracks from the "artist of the week" that would be 13 tracks at the top of the page all curated or selected by different criteria, a nice little cross section of what the site has to offer content wise.

What if the top 5 curated artists each choose a track for the next week? On top of and automated "most liked" thing. If one doesn't pick a song one week, then it will be given to the most popular automated artists, descending from the top of the list.

So we start with 5 people to curate 5 tracks. Then those 5 artists curate for the next week. And fall back on the automated list if needed.

Or something.

Currently the music section doesn't really seem to work that well as a showcase because there is such a huge volume of content, I personally tend to listen to albums / eps from net labels I like as they have already gone through at least one quality / curation / whatevet filter. The consensus seems to be nobody wants a chart / automated ranking system based on likes / comments / plays per week or month. Also nobody seems to want to step up and curate a periodic selection. I think a forced quality control on the users by limiting the number of songs will go some way to solve the volume problem but it is still a pretty large chunk of tunes.

Ideally I would like to see an automated weekly top 5 based on something like the 8bc filter trash 80 wrote for the "top" 5 songs then a curated weekly list of 5 more "hidden gems" displayed at the top of the page with the wb player for back end. If "drama" is a concern then we could lock comments on those "top" tracks for the week following or something.

Edit : sorry another idea, top of the page could be. : Top5, hidden gems, all 3 tracks from the "artist of the week" that would be 13 tracks at the top of the page all curated or selected by different criteria, a nice little cross section of what the site has to offer content wise.

This is a open discussion and we welcome your opinion.

A open discussion

Is there a way to delete your current tracks uploaded?

As I remembered ages ago that option was not available, unless I'm just stupid with this site.

open song page -> "edit submission" link under song description -> "remove item" button at the bottom right under text box