low-gain wrote:

At least you got your full travel expense paid for... I was told that $400 to cover a round trip ticket to NYC was too much... it's not my fault they were planning a show 2 months ahead of the show date.. and not 6...

Before I never come back to this thread I must straighten this out.
Since you keep disclosing confidential booking information at your own will, which BTW, it's very unprofessional,
The reason why Low-Gain never made it into the lineup was because he first asked for $300 , then $320 and then $400.
He changed his fee every single time we tried to make an agreement with him.

We had the money to book him, that wasn't the problem, but when an artist keeps changing his fee --every single time you try to close a deal with him-- it doesn't inspire a lot of confidence to book him.

PERIOD.

Peace out ChipMusic.org

lol.. dude thats because every fucking day you delayed on getting back to me the price of air fare goes up.
the first talks of $300 were simply an estimated cost of airfare.. typically it's around there. the second time was $320 because thats what it was when i check. and by i check again. prices went up to $380-400 to fly into JFK..

SO dont bitch to me that costs went up because you started booking acts 2 months before your god damn show.. thats not my problem
if you aren't prepared to pay for travel costs then you shouldn't be planning such a large scale show..

So for that bold statement you can kiss my hairy ass. Professionalism.. "i'm going to make the scene grow big, largest demo swap ever, the scene is in need of this large scale event" DONT PLAN LARGE SCALE SHOWS VIA A PUBLIC ONLINE MESSAGE BOARD !!!!

pull your fucking head out of the clouds and do a little research before you plan a show jack ass..
Blip fest gets planned a year in advance, you chose 2-3 months... blip fest draws 300-600 people each night... it's been happening for 4 years..
you expect to pull 1000 people just because you book a couple big names, make a shit flier and say it's for the good of the cause?

Dreaeaaammmmm.. dream dream dream dream.

Dont ever question my professionalism.

hello DRRRTY laundry!

At least you got your full travel expense paid for... I was told that $400 to cover a round trip ticket to NYC was too much... it's not my fault they were planning a show 2 months ahead of the show date.. and not 6...

Before I never come back to this thread I must straighten this out.
Since you keep disclosing confidential booking information at your own will, which BTW, it's very unprofessional,
The reason why Low-Gain never made it into the lineup was because he first asked for $300 , then $320 and then $400.
He changed his fee every single time we tried to make an agreement with him.

We had the money to book him, that wasn't the problem, but when an artist keeps changing his fee --every single time you try to close a deal with him-- it doesn't inspire a lot of confidence to book him.

PERIOD.

Peace out ChipMusic.org

Take the time off and come to the states. play some shows, sell some merch.. make some money have some fun and quit bitching. At least you had travel expenses covered

Secondly, getting your travel paid for is not getting paid to play

I totally agree with that, in case you didn't notice, but getting your full travel expense paid (specially from abroad) is a much, much better deal than what I fathom most people got here (specially those US bound).

If your ticket did not get cancelled get some gigs in USA.If it did I bet it's not an issue to get more gigs in your town. I don't think this poses much of  problem for you.

You sound very negative for someone that just got a free vacation to New York and the only person on this event getting paid to play (and even got effectively paid already!). You should get some shows, nothing stops you from doing that if you want at least some of the profit you could have gained while staying! Bravo to you for getting a proper deal.

Firstly, I haven't got a free vacation to anywhere.

Secondly, getting your travel paid for is not getting paid to play, the gig was a potential earner through the fee & merch sales just like any other event. I've lost earnings through turning down other promoters in accepting this gig and committing vacation time to those dates.

All is not lost though, something will be salvaged from this and i'm hopeful some of the billed artists will be able to play at an event this summer.

Lol ++ !!   I know you are only joking, but reality check here in case anyone forgot.

No, man, this is fruitless. It's not that anyone forgot. The "scene" mentioned so much here is the game boy-centric activity generated in the 2ks. What's a Komador? Floppy what? . Unfortunately what we refer to is pretty much ignored outside of the demoscene enthusiasm.

You sound very negative for someone that just got a free vacation to New York and the only person on this event getting paid to play (and even got effectively paid already!). You should get some shows, nothing stops you from doing that if you want at least some of the profit you could have gained while staying! Bravo to you for getting a proper deal.
For the rest I assume this could be a good learning experience on how to deal with bookings. If there are any risks involved, WHY would YOU take them? That's the booker's responsibility, not yours.

I believe whoever is stuck going there can get something done.

As to the organization, if there truly was so much love for "the scene", you would knock up an event regardless. Venue canceled? Get a new one. Expectations were too high? Oh boy yes, so cut down and make a smaller event. In NYC even a 400 people event would be a hit. Need money? Most artists are (sadly) paying or already paid their expenses to go there, so there shouldn't be much needed.

There are a million things to learn here so I guess this event could indeed help teh activity grow, by learning from mistakes.

- First, trust me when I tell you I am the MOST disappointed with the cancellation of this show. I worked, traveled and assisted to countless meetings for months to get this off the ground. To know all this went nowhere makes me angry and also very sad that I will not get to see the show which most of us hoped for.

- The decision to cancel this show was never mine. I was shut down. It literally all went down in a couple of minutes when the venue called us in, informed us that this show had raised MANY concerns which were not in the best interest for them or the people they work with, and then the domino effect came in when one of our investors had enough and abandoned the project. The financial fallout of the event has affected all 4 parties involved and we plan to pursue diplomatic ways to see how we can recover some of our investment. The word "canceled" was actually never used, they just pulled the plug on us leaving us wondering what to do next, which we felt was alert everyone ASAP that the show was a no-go so no fans or artists would keep making preparations to something that had just collapsed. Specially when our financial backbone had walked out of the door.

- I DO NOT BLAME the community AT ALL. I LOVE THIS SCENE more than anyone else. We were made to sign legal documentation where the specifics of the wording used in the thread which led to the beginning of the fallout cannot be disclosed simply to maintain and protect the reputation of the people involved. I personally wouldn't mind coming here and point fingers but that would be a real assh*le move from me and I wouldn't want people to blame one or two individuals alone for a project that hundreds were planning to be a part of.  BTW, for the people who have asked me in emails countless times if something happened behind the scenes... YES IT DID. However, to flat out come here and talk about the incident would be adding fuel to the fire and at this point I don't want to stir up even more BS and thread trolling.

- I encourage fellow promoters and artists to take advantage and pick up the pieces to plan out some summer shows with at least some of the people we had in our lineup. They all have allocated the time in their schedules to perform at the end of May in NY, so I would encourage to try and book them. Sabrepulse has round trip tickets which I do no plan to cancel. This is a great opportunity for a promoter to book a headliner. Sabrepulse: Ask for a performance fee, the promoter is getting you at no cost, so make sure you get paid.

- I wouldn't mind trying to fix this mess by starting a lower scale event with the remaining members of my team, but with the excitement gone and their hopes for a Chip-Con completely ruined...  they are right now in a mental discouragement which has made them not want to be a part of anything related to chip music, at least for the time being. Specially when our reputations are questionable.

- I've received a lot of email pointing out the fact that the chip music scene IS ready for a large scale event of this kind and I agree. This was part of one of the disagreements inside our team. Don't hold me alone accountable for thinking people would've not shown up to this event because I always knew people would, but these views were not the same for all 4 of us.

- I am specially hurt by the fact that my aspirations as a chip musician will be hurt by this. I had been preparing an album for a while under my b3tabot name and now from this fallout I am very skeptic my music would ever be taken seriously.

- I wouldn't mind giving Chip-Con another chance at some point in the future, but it would have to be a very distant future when all the disappointment has passed and people's hopes are more positive. I guess this is all a learning experience.

Thanks to the people who supported this from day one. You all know who you were even though some of you are very angry right now, saying "f*ck you" to me in emails, I want to let you know that your help was and always will be appreciated

- Thank you all and hopefully we'll see each other again in the future.
- b3tabot

PS: The show was going to happen "no matter what". At least that's what you think when you have a contract signed. I guess contracts are not as solid as we all think they are. = (.  Also, to clear the post before this one. Sabrepulse was booked first. = ) Emar, sorry I didn't have the time to get back to you but as you could imagine I did not have much time to get back to each and every artist.

my mail wasnt even replied to. Im an artist in my own right, i deserve that respect