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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Spilled beer inside of my cartridge]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Best thread title ever.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Feryl]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-04-28T21:47:58Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Spilled beer inside of my cartridge]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve just left it opened up to dry for a few days, CDK suggested it and then I&#039;m gonna clean it with something we probably have to clean slate off the baby in the same aspect as alco on alco and then I&#039;m gonna leave it in the silica gel like kitsch said for like half a day or whatevers.</p><p>Thanks for all the big time advice though, appreciate it. It&#039;ll work eventually after I&#039;ve done some of the things that have been said.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Skin Walker]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-04-28T14:01:52Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Spilled beer inside of my cartridge]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>this basically shows how rad the chip community really is</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[basspuddle]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-04-28T04:44:00Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Spilled beer inside of my cartridge]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>You are correct about the DNA vs. Mineral Spirits... no idea <em>what</em> I was thinking there. I know better than that. I probably meant ethanol, but we&#039;ll just chalk it up to me being a moron.</p><p>As for using mineral spirits on a PCB, I wouldn&#039;t worry too much about it.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Teh D3th St4r]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Teh+D3th+St4r</uri>
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			<updated>2013-04-28T04:36:15Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Spilled beer inside of my cartridge]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Justo nit(ro)pick a little more. DNA and mineral spirits are not the same thing. DNA is denaturated alocohol, ie ethanol with a bitter ingredient added to stop you from drinking it. Mineral spirit is a hydrocarbon based solvent, pretty much the same thing as gasoline, but longer carbon chains, so a little denser and a little higher boiling point than gasoline. I would be wary of using mineral spirit on electronics because I&#039;d be afraid it might degrade the quality of the chip carrier, or the glue between the board and the copper. I don&#039;t know for sure that this is the case, I would avoid it unless I knew it was safe. I&#039;m not talking about immediate destruction here, but long term reliability, say that the cartridge edge connectors might be more likely start to come loose after 1000 insertions.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[nitro2k01]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/nitro2k01</uri>
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			<updated>2013-04-28T03:59:21Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Spilled beer inside of my cartridge]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. Everything mentioned above is why I suggested using isopropynol.<br />You&#039;ll get it nice and clean, no residue, no risk of water droplets shorting anything out.</p><p>Also, the best thing for removing solder flux is DNA (mineral spirits) or acetone with a chem brush.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Teh D3th St4r]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Teh+D3th+St4r</uri>
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			<updated>2013-04-28T03:46:59Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Spilled beer inside of my cartridge]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/166124/#p166124"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the isopropanol+toothbrush method isn&#039;t really necessary in this case. It&#039;s great for removing flux residues after soldering, because this type of residue doesn&#039;t dissolve well in water, so you need both a solvent and some force to get it off.</p><p>What I would recommend, unless you live in an area with hard water (ie mineral rich water) is to open up the cartridge, take out the battery, rinse it in tap water, and leave it to dry. <br />Note that removing the battery erases any save data, so make sure you back it up before doing this.<br />The crucial part is getting it dry. Something like rice or silica gel bags can be useful here.</p><p>Additional information:</p><p>There are three different ways electronics can fail due to water.<br />1) The component itself is sensitive to moisture, typically because it contains something that can react with water. For a GB cartridge, this would be the battery, which contains lithium, and the electrolytic capacitors, which contain an aluminum electrolyte. They will probably both be sealed well enough that a quick rinse will not destroy them, but at least you can remove the battery so you probably should. Other than that, the components do not get damaged by short exposure to water.<br />2) Shorting. If the device is powered while exposed to water, especially a liquid with a lot of electrolytes like, uhm, beer, two points in the ciruit might be shorted and cause damage. Unless something is actually damaged while the liquid is still on the circuit, this is not fatal.<br />3) Corrosion. The traces on the circuit board, the solder and the component leads are obviously made out of metal and might corrode (&quot;rust&quot;). This process can be accelerated if any kind of electrolytes are present. Not that simply leaving the PCB to dry is not enough if there&#039;s residue left, as will almost certainly be the case with the beer. Moisture will be picked from the air and slowly corrode whatever components are covered in the gunk. You should absolutely clean this up one way or the other.</p><p>As for point 3, hard tap water, and even soft tap water will leave some amount of residue. I wouldn&#039;t worry about that unless you can see a visible amount of residue when the water dries up. If you can get it or make it, distilled water is even better. Making it could be a fun experiment. If you&#039;re still in school, they probably have bottles of distilled water in the chemistry halls.</p><p>Good luck.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[nitro2k01]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/nitro2k01</uri>
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			<updated>2013-04-28T03:26:00Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Spilled beer inside of my cartridge]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>You: Cart, you&#039;re drunk....<br />cart: You&#039;re not my baaaaebe shitor.<br />You: Cart YOUR DRUNK, GO HOME!<br />Cart: NO ME.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Bit wish]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Bit+wish</uri>
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			<updated>2013-04-28T02:00:28Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Spilled beer inside of my cartridge]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>All my NES carts are alcoholic. They barely work without a heavy dose of the stuff. <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/sad.png" width="15" height="15" alt="sad" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[SketchMan3]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-04-28T01:45:34Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Spilled beer inside of my cartridge]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Drink it.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[The Silph Scope]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-04-28T00:02:37Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Spilled beer inside of my cartridge]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Alcohol: The cause of, <em>and</em> solution to, all of life&#039;s problems.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Teh D3th St4r]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Teh+D3th+St4r</uri>
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			<updated>2013-04-27T23:50:38Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Spilled beer inside of my cartridge]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Teh D3th St4r wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>1. Open it up <br />2. Clean EVERYTHING with isopropanol and a toothbrush<br />3. Allow everything to dry (which wont take long) <br />4. Slap that pig back together <br />5. Get on with life.</p></blockquote></div><br /><p>I see what you did there...<br />Remedy alcohol problem with more alcohol!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[GoingHam]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/GoingHam</uri>
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			<updated>2013-04-27T23:47:17Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Spilled beer inside of my cartridge]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>yeah the rice in a bag technique is for drying stuff you can&#039;t open up and clean (like an iphone). and it wouldn&#039;t work for beer, because it leaves a sticky residue.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Saskrotch]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Saskrotch</uri>
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			<updated>2013-04-27T22:41:02Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Spilled beer inside of my cartridge]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>1. Open it up <br />2. Clean EVERYTHING with isopropanol and a toothbrush<br />3. Allow everything to dry (which wont take long) <br />4. Slap that pig back together <br />5. Get on with life.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Teh D3th St4r]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Teh+D3th+St4r</uri>
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			<updated>2013-04-27T22:35:48Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Spilled beer inside of my cartridge]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>you know in vitamin bottles the silica gel packets that say &#039;DO NOT EAT!&#039; on them?</p><p>those work really well for stuff like this too</p><p>you&#039;ll most likely need to clean the contacts even after all the drying, the sugars/starch in beer i bet will leave some gunk</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[kitsch]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/kitsch</uri>
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			<updated>2013-04-27T22:28:09Z</updated>
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