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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: SID groovebox from MM and others commercial SID synths]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Lowtoy wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Hi all!</p><p>Was this discussed before?</p><p><a href="http://www.banson.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=sidaster" target="_blank">http://www.banson.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=sidaster</a></p><p>It just looks AWESOME and pretty simple ^_^<br />Researching this idea I found an amazing document (in spanish, sorry) with all needed information to make this work (also software version)</p><p><a href="http://oa.upm.es/21937/1/PFC_JAIME_CABALLERO_INSAURRIAGA.pdf" target="_blank">http://oa.upm.es/21937/1/PFC_JAIME_CABA &#133; RRIAGA.pdf</a></p><p>Anyone has tried it?</p></blockquote></div><p>Does look very interesting. Thanks for posting it! Will be taking a closer look at the Midi Implementation.<br />Yogi</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[yogi]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/yogi</uri>
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			<updated>2014-01-06T17:03:04Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: SID groovebox from MM and others commercial SID synths]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hi all!</p><p>Was this discussed before?</p><p><a href="http://www.banson.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=sidaster" target="_blank">http://www.banson.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=sidaster</a></p><p>It just looks AWESOME and pretty simple ^_^<br />Researching this idea I found an amazing document (in spanish, sorry) with all needed information to make this work (also software version)</p><p><a href="http://oa.upm.es/21937/1/PFC_JAIME_CABALLERO_INSAURRIAGA.pdf" target="_blank">http://oa.upm.es/21937/1/PFC_JAIME_CABA &#133; RRIAGA.pdf</a></p><p>Anyone has tried it?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Lowtoy]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Lowtoy</uri>
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			<updated>2014-01-05T16:35:18Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: SID groovebox from MM and others commercial SID synths]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>so far i jsut do all the heavy sound design on the midibox with the editor and play it simple midi notes from piggy tracker. I hope to get more in its guts once I move into my permanent place at the end of the summer.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[herr_prof]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/herr_prof</uri>
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			<updated>2013-07-13T15:27:52Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: SID groovebox from MM and others commercial SID synths]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>TSC wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>...</p></blockquote></div><p>Thanks for your precious help <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/hmm.png" width="15" height="15" alt="hmm" /><br />What good hardware midi controller or midi sequencer to use it with sammich?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[GenSek]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/GenSek</uri>
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			<updated>2013-07-13T14:26:34Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: SID groovebox from MM and others commercial SID synths]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.ucapps.de/midibox_sid_manual_fs.html" target="_blank">http://www.ucapps.de/midibox_sid_manual_fs.html</a></p><p>edit and:<br /><a href="http://www.ucapps.de/midibox_sid_manual_e.html" target="_blank">http://www.ucapps.de/midibox_sid_manual_e.html</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[herr_prof]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/herr_prof</uri>
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			<updated>2013-07-09T22:49:36Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: SID groovebox from MM and others commercial SID synths]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>...</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[TSC]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/TSC</uri>
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			<updated>2013-07-09T21:32:19Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: SID groovebox from MM and others commercial SID synths]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>How do you use it?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[GenSek]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/GenSek</uri>
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			<updated>2013-07-09T21:09:18Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: SID groovebox from MM and others commercial SID synths]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Actually you dont really need the midipal, the sammichsid midi config is SUPER flexible.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[herr_prof]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/herr_prof</uri>
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			<updated>2013-07-09T20:56:07Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: SID groovebox from MM and others commercial SID synths]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve found a Sammich SID kit, yes!<br />Now please tell me everything about it, I wasn&#039;t sure about get it &#039;cause I really don&#039;t know nothing &#039;bout MIDI, but the SID sound must be present in my set-up. So what I need to learn to use this complex (to me)device?<br />A tool like this one:<br /><a href="http://mutable-instruments.net/midipal" target="_blank">http://mutable-instruments.net/midipal</a><br />Can be useful to me?<br />Tell me all you know about the Sammich SID!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[GenSek]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/GenSek</uri>
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			<updated>2013-07-09T20:42:45Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: SID groovebox from MM and others commercial SID synths]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>GenSek wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>...Ouch! For me (and my poor english) this is too difficult, I didn&#039;t understand...<br />Is this a kit?<br />Is it a real hardware synth that you play via midi?<br />The only thing that I understand is that it&#039;s an emulation, and searchin&#039; here &amp; there nobody seems to use it.</p></blockquote></div><p>KIT, no. They had sold some kits awhile ago, but everything is SMD so most ppls don&#039;t/won&#039;t like soldering QFP chips.</p><p>Not exactly EMU, more like a reverse engineered chip design. The FPGA is a &#039;sea of gates&#039; that lets you design logic circuits. Can be defined as a schematic or as a logic equation in a HDL language. Kind of like writing a program, but you are describing the logic design (inputs, outputs and the truth table), and the chip interconnects the needed gates.&nbsp; Like a really big GAL that you can reset easily.</p><p>The RetroArcade has the HDL bitstreams and GUI already setup, so the user can treat the running hardware as a synth. Of course one could make changes at the hardware level if they chose. There is a GUI to interact with the boards, over a USB connection and/or send MIDI. But, in the end the &#039;SID&#039; or &#039;AY&#039; is a redesign based on how the original preforms. Not having the original die design for the chips, the &#039;soft cores&#039; are not 100% copies of the originals. It&#039;s the same with the clone consoles that are hitting the market, ASIC designs to recreate the originals, sometimes they don&#039;t get it right.</p><p>&nbsp; Very little learning curve for this application, the user just uploads the bitstream the first time, it&#039;s stored in flash on the board and thereafter gets loaded into the FPGA after every power cycle . The real strength with FPGAs is the way you can reconfigure it; at one time, you could have a &#039;SID&#039; synth and then upload a FATMAN synth, or a PacMan game, or your own design. Most of the users of FPGAs are interested in logic level designing; and the &#039;chip&#039; scene, at large, is interested in the originals.</p><p> For example synth designs, take a look at <a href="http://jovianpyx.dyndns.org:8080/public/FPGA_synth/" target="_blank">http://jovianpyx.dyndns.org:8080/public/FPGA_synth/</a> <br />Scott G&#039;s designs are closer to analog synths and show the power of FPGAs.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[yogi]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/yogi</uri>
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			<updated>2013-07-06T00:28:41Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: SID groovebox from MM and others commercial SID synths]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>1. I don&#039;t have any<br />2. It let me simplify the whole circuit because for example it doesn&#039;t need the 9v/12v power lines.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[scannerboy]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/scannerboy</uri>
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			<updated>2013-07-05T17:11:49Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: SID groovebox from MM and others commercial SID synths]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>scannerboy wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><a href="http://chipmusic.org/forums/topic/11096/sammichsid-clone/" target="_blank">http://chipmusic.org/forums/topic/11096 &#133; sid-clone/</a> - shameless plug</p></blockquote></div><p>Interesting project! I&#039;m waiting to have the confirm for a real sammichsid, but in case of a negative answer this can be a good alternative.<br />Only...why don&#039;t you use real SID chips?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[GenSek]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/GenSek</uri>
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			<updated>2013-07-05T17:08:26Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: SID groovebox from MM and others commercial SID synths]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>yogi wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Well, the Papilio is a FPGA board with an Arduino type form factor. The RetroArcade is like a Arduino shield. It mounts to the Papilio and supplies connectors and lcd I/O for the FPGA. <br />In the end you upload&nbsp; bitstreams that set up the FPGA chip as a synth, there are IP cores (configurations of the FPGA&#039;s internal logic to recreate a hardware device) for SID, YM and Pokey I think. You can also create a totally new synth design. It&#039;s kind of like a emulation but at a transistor level, more of recreating the chips on a re-programable design platform.</p></blockquote></div><p>Ouch! For me (and my poor english) this is too difficult, I didn&#039;t understand...<br />Is this a kit?<br />Is it a real hardware synth that you play via midi?<br />The only thing that I understand is that it&#039;s an emulation, and searchin&#039; here &amp; there nobody seems to use it.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[GenSek]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/GenSek</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2013-07-05T16:29:18Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/175715/#p175715</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: SID groovebox from MM and others commercial SID synths]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/175696/#p175696"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://chipmusic.org/forums/topic/11096/sammichsid-clone/" target="_blank">http://chipmusic.org/forums/topic/11096 &#133; sid-clone/</a> - shameless plug</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[scannerboy]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/scannerboy</uri>
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			<updated>2013-07-05T13:35:46Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/175696/#p175696</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: SID groovebox from MM and others commercial SID synths]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Well, the Papilio is a FPGA board with an Arduino type form factor. The RetroArcade is like a Arduino shield. It mounts to the Papilio and supplies connectors and lcd I/O for the FPGA. <br />In the end you upload&nbsp; bitstreams that set up the FPGA chip as a synth, there are IP cores (configurations of the FPGA&#039;s internal logic to recreate a hardware device) for SID, YM and Pokey I think. You can also create a totally new synth design. It&#039;s kind of like a emulation but at a transistor level, more of recreating the chips on a re-programable design platform.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[yogi]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/yogi</uri>
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			<updated>2013-07-04T22:51:00Z</updated>
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