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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: "40PDT" switch for 2x VIC-IIs?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the ideas! Someone on another forum has suggested a <em>much</em> easier method though...</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>e5frog wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I think it&#039;s possible to piggyback these and use the chip select signal on pin 10 to choose which chip to use.</p><p>There&#039;s at least one guy here that has done this.</p></blockquote></div><p>I feel a bit silly now.</p><p>EDIT: Found another post suggesting that piggybacking the VIC-II&#039;s and toggling chip select <em>won&#039;t</em> work. Hmm.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Awol]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-07-06T03:11:28Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: "40PDT" switch for 2x VIC-IIs?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Awol wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I&#039;ve read that converting a C64 between NTSC and PAL requires swapping the VIC-II chip and crystal, and connecting a jumper. Surprisingly simple. Even better, the VIC-II in my C64C is socketed. It would be cool though to have both NTSC and PAL selectable with a switch, on a board that plugs into the C64&#039;s VIC-II socket. Unfortunately, 40PDT switches (because the VIC-II has 40 pins) don&#039;t seem to exist, and if they did they&#039;d be a pain to wire up. I&#039;d like to design a functional equivalent. I don&#039;t know that much about electronics, just enough to follow other people&#039;s instructions for modding, but I&#039;ve never designed anything from scratch before. So maybe my ideas will sound naive...</p><p>Transistors can work like switches right? What if the line coming from each socket pin on the motherboard splits into a Y, with one direction going to the NTSC VIC-II and the other direction going to the PAL VIC-II. Each chip would have a transistor per pin. Have an SPDT switch to apply voltage to the bases of every transistor, with one throw connected to the NTSC chip&#039;s transistors, and the other throw connected to the PAL chip&#039;s transistors. Except... I was reading about the VIC-II and it seems like some of the pins are both input and output. Is that correct? Transistors only allow current to flow one way. I read that triacs are similar to transistors but are designed for AC currents and allow flow both ways. Maybe triacs could be used instead.</p><p>Would this even work?<br />Even if it did, is there a better way that doesn&#039;t involve soldering 80 transistors or triacs? Some kind of IC?</p></blockquote></div><p>There are transistor ICs that you cam use that&#039;ll give you a whole array of them in a small package but there will inevitably be a lot of soldering.&nbsp; Another option is to go with very small components. I always have a load of surface mount digital transistors (MMUN2211 work great as switch replacements). Some people get scared of surface mount but it&#039;s actually not that hard to learn and doing a large number in a row will actually go pretty quickly once you the the hang of it.</p><p>In any case, you&#039;ll want to tie the bases of every single transistor together so that they each activate simultaneously and as a safety feature you might want to set up a simple circuit that cuts the C64 power if you attempt to switch modes - a DPCO switch that cuts power in the center position just to be safe when switching modes, maybe? I&#039;m not entirely sure what the best solution would be in that sense.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jefftheworld]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-07-05T06:02:49Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA["40PDT" switch for 2x VIC-IIs?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve read that converting a C64 between NTSC and PAL requires swapping the VIC-II chip and crystal, and connecting a jumper. Surprisingly simple. Even better, the VIC-II in my C64C is socketed. It would be cool though to have both NTSC and PAL selectable with a switch, on a board that plugs into the C64&#039;s VIC-II socket. Unfortunately, 40PDT switches (because the VIC-II has 40 pins) don&#039;t seem to exist, and if they did they&#039;d be a pain to wire up. I&#039;d like to design a functional equivalent. I don&#039;t know that much about electronics, just enough to follow other people&#039;s instructions for modding, but I&#039;ve never designed anything from scratch before. So maybe my ideas will sound naive...</p><p>Transistors can work like switches right? What if the line coming from each socket pin on the motherboard splits into a Y, with one direction going to the NTSC VIC-II and the other direction going to the PAL VIC-II. Each chip would have a transistor per pin. Have an SPDT switch to apply voltage to the bases of every transistor, with one throw connected to the NTSC chip&#039;s transistors, and the other throw connected to the PAL chip&#039;s transistors. Except... I was reading about the VIC-II and it seems like some of the pins are both input and output. Is that correct? Transistors only allow current to flow one way. I read that triacs are similar to transistors but are designed for AC currents and allow flow both ways. Maybe triacs could be used instead.</p><p>Would this even work?<br />Even if it did, is there a better way that doesn&#039;t involve soldering 80 transistors or triacs? Some kind of IC?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Awol]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-07-05T02:24:48Z</updated>
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