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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Zilog z80 Development Board *Collective Brainstorm*]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The z80 board is finished, so I am now working on the video/keyboard/serial &quot;shield&quot; add-on board. Based on the design I am borrowing, it wil have selectable 40 or 80 column output, PAL or NTSC and i am working out a way to have both Serial and USB since they use the same location. That may be tough. I might just remove serial and go with USB.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jazzmarazz]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Jazzmarazz</uri>
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			<updated>2013-09-30T23:46:38Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Zilog z80 Development Board *Collective Brainstorm*]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I am making the board slightly bigger to accommodate a reset circuit at the bottom. I also hope to route the Enable pins of our RAM and RAM to the headers to at sides. The board will still come with a predetermined memory map, but this way people may change it in the future if they wish to remove my logic and figure out their own.</p><p>Currently the room on the board is still looking decent, so I may change up the memory map slightly so there are more enables for devices. I am only using OR gates for mapping right now and I could always throw in a decoder.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jazzmarazz]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Jazzmarazz</uri>
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			<updated>2013-09-18T19:53:26Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Zilog z80 Development Board *Collective Brainstorm*]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>This is looking exciting! I like the idea of a kit with sockets. I&#039;ll run an idea by you for your name...<br />Its probably too long but some combination of Obsolescence and&nbsp; Incorporated or Obsolescence Inc etc etc.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[doctormark77]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/doctormark77</uri>
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			<updated>2013-09-18T15:35:18Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Zilog z80 Development Board *Collective Brainstorm*]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>They look great so far.<br />Excited to get one and to get another one to my developer.<br />I also will need two:)</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[DSC]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/DSC</uri>
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			<updated>2013-09-17T00:50:43Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Zilog z80 Development Board *Collective Brainstorm*]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>thebitman wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I would be into these boards like crazy. Would want to order two, FYI <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p></blockquote></div><p>Very happy to hear that! They should be right around the same price of the GB programmer boards too, unpopulated of course. </p><p>Then we can have a z80 competition between all of the purchasers to see who can do the coolest things with it!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jazzmarazz]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Jazzmarazz</uri>
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			<updated>2013-09-17T00:07:37Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/184390/#p184390</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Zilog z80 Development Board *Collective Brainstorm*]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I would be into these boards like crazy. Would want to order two, FYI <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[thebitman]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/thebitman</uri>
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			<updated>2013-09-17T00:04:18Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Zilog z80 Development Board *Collective Brainstorm*]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, thanks Kitsch. I have looked into the acrylic boxes before because I think they look absolutely perfect for the indie-type of builds. I can&#039;t say that we would need a top half, or at least not yet considering the fact that this is stackable. If we were to assume a maximum of three stories (CPU level, serial/usb/video/keyboard level, and a perfboard level) then we could make a whole enclosure I suppose. </p><p>As for the size of run, I was going to aim for 10 boards again. We may have to look into half-shells for the GB programmers. They ended up being heavy to one side because of the cart connector, meaning stand-offs don&#039;t help a whole lot. Room to learn I suppose. </p><p>Anyhow, keep talking to me people! Start thinking about whether you want a colored PCB, ENIG, or if I should do kit-bundles again. Obviously, many parts are obsolete and harder to source, so kits would only include everything minus CPU/RAM/ROM. A pre-soldered kit would have sockets ready to drop your chips in. Then again, I do have a large handful of 27c64&#039;s so maybe a pre-programmed BASIC ROM option too.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jazzmarazz]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Jazzmarazz</uri>
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			<updated>2013-09-16T23:45:35Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Zilog z80 Development Board *Collective Brainstorm*]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>i know a bit about how plastics can be made if you wanna get in touch.</p><p>if the run on these is super small, i might be able to do them on my printer also.</p><p>a (cheaper) option would be to do an acrylic dovetailed box or something.&nbsp; if so, cm.o&#039;s arfink or nbscloset could help out with making those</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[kitsch]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/kitsch</uri>
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			<updated>2013-09-16T19:20:27Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Zilog z80 Development Board *Collective Brainstorm*]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Finishing up the main tracing and still positioning silk screens stuff. The board is not going to be just square as it is shown, so I may design a bottom half of a housing shell in CATIA. I know nothing about how we can get plastic objects printed though, so if anyone knows, tell me. Here is the basic chip placement:</p><p><a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/826/2k2f.png/" target="_blank"><a class="postimg" href="http://imageshack.us/a/img826/9311/2k2f.png" title="http://imageshack.us/a/img826/9311/2k2f.png" id="forum_image_77753102"><img src="http://imageshack.us/a/img826/9311/2k2f.png" /></a></a><br /><a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/197/1h5m.png/" target="_blank"><a class="postimg" href="http://imageshack.us/a/img197/1462/1h5m.png" title="http://imageshack.us/a/img197/1462/1h5m.png" id="forum_image_15348004"><img src="http://imageshack.us/a/img197/1462/1h5m.png" /></a></a></p><p>Resistors will be made Surface Mount to save space and so the ground pour doesn&#039;t get chopped up so much. At this point, there are many free headers on either side of the board. Ceramic Caps will remain through-hole so that VCC may be routed on both sides more easily and to offer more coverage of GND.&nbsp; um...yep. That is all for now.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jazzmarazz]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Jazzmarazz</uri>
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			<updated>2013-09-16T18:31:48Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Zilog z80 Development Board *Collective Brainstorm*]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I was at work so I couldn&#039;t really reply to people.</p><p>@Alpine, I am familiar with and attached to Jazzmarazz, so you have a point, although I wouldn&#039;t say &quot;A lot of stuff&quot; under it. <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/tongue.png" width="15" height="15" alt="tongue" /> <br />Im still just an unknown face on the web.</p><p>@rygD, You also have a point, I should come up with it myself but I am having difficulty. I don&#039;t want something Super serious, but nothing along the lines of Super-duper-make-cool-stuff Co. either.&nbsp; lol</p><p>As for the board, the bare simple version is coming along well. I have located an ideal regulator in a lovely SOT-233 package, but the thing holding me back seems to be that I have to create a lot of the libraries myself, or modify ones that I already have. The good thing about both drawing a schematic and board layout is that I may choose the packages and parts myself. No one can tell me to go with parts I do not wish to use. </p><p>Next I will be changing up the quartz crystal to a larger quartz oscillator in the 014 or 008 package so that users may alter the rate more easily. If I can locate a highly available variable clock IC, I may utilize that but we&#039;ll see what happens. After I find these things, I can move on to tracing the rest of the board and then creating a blank &quot;shield&quot; with loads of tie points. </p><p>I will be confidant to share photos in a day or two.</p><p>EDIT: Got rid of the parallel resonance altogether! DERRR! Why was I messing with a two pin clock at all?!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jazzmarazz]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Jazzmarazz</uri>
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			<updated>2013-09-16T00:53:48Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Zilog z80 Development Board *Collective Brainstorm*]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Obsolesense. Sense of the obsolete.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jazzmarazz]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Jazzmarazz</uri>
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			<updated>2013-09-15T17:38:46Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Zilog z80 Development Board *Collective Brainstorm*]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I think you will find that you like a name better if you decide on it yourself.&nbsp; Are you looking for a username or a name for your business?&nbsp; The feel you seem to be going for with the word list can work for both, but the list seems like an ideal starting point for a business name (although then you have to decide on if you are cool keeping things fun and informal, or if it is super serious &quot;all business, all the time&quot;).&nbsp; I can toss some stuff at you for inspiration later.</p><p>I would really like a full computer, so I think starting with the dev board for now, and keeping costs down in the short term, may be the best option.&nbsp; It creates a wider audience in the long run, as people customize their projects.&nbsp; It would be great if you made both.&nbsp; It might be difficult to get funding for both projects, although I love that idea (except i so love the old stuff I may use up all my dollars on those).&nbsp; If you haven&#039;t already done so, consider mentioning this on other forums, if you think it might be appropriate.&nbsp; I will mention it to a few people also.</p><p>ps: &quot;Obsolescence&quot; is the direction to go, imo.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[rygD]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/rygD</uri>
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			<updated>2013-09-15T14:28:23Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Zilog z80 Development Board *Collective Brainstorm*]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;d say keep Jazzmarazz, although it may not represent you now, it&#039;s still a name that you&#039;ve used for a long time, and you&#039;ve done a lot of stuff under it. It would make it more confusing for people if you changed your name.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Alpine]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Alpine</uri>
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			<updated>2013-09-15T09:35:29Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Zilog z80 Development Board *Collective Brainstorm*]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Zen80</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[thebitman]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/thebitman</uri>
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			<updated>2013-09-15T06:21:39Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Zilog z80 Development Board *Collective Brainstorm*]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>DSC wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Jazzmarazz wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> I think I shall start with a bare z80, rom/ram setup. Nothing special, but fully moddable. It will cost much less and can be made to do anything, even as much as the full computer I hope to make soon afterward.</p></blockquote></div><p>I like this approach.&nbsp; Even a little perfboard on one side to make additional jumper/headers to solder to would be nice.<br />As far as the moniker, I&#039;m a little surprised you would ask for advice.&nbsp; Those types of things are always so personal.<br />It usually will just click, anyway thanks for all of the effort.</p></blockquote></div><p>The board so far has USB (power only) and regulated DC input with a Jumper to select between one or the other. So far, that is all I have added aside from the cpu/rom/ram.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>jefftheworld wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>µjazz as your username.</p></blockquote></div><p>I do like it, but it leaves me in the same place. I would like to move away from Jazz altogether. It is the past-me and has no relevance with my goals.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jazzmarazz]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Jazzmarazz</uri>
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			<updated>2013-09-15T04:45:53Z</updated>
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