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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Live performance sound/stereo issues]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Totally worth it though, APRA is free here in Aus, What about BMI, As far as I know they offer the same features as ASCAP. </p><p>Personally I pay the $50, If you gig a lot that is a great investment</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[SwebMusic]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/SwebMusic</uri>
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			<updated>2013-10-11T09:15:36Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Live performance sound/stereo issues]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>e.s.c. wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>it costs $50 to register with ASCAP</p></blockquote></div><p>Is that a one-time fee? You might want to talk to some ASCAP artists with similar levels of expose to you. It&#039;s a bit different in Canada as SOCAN paid for my US registration fees but even if you&#039;re only earning a couple dollars a week in royalties it&#039;s not necessarily a terrible idea if it&#039;s a one-time registration fee and if your music continues to be played/performed for years to come.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jefftheworld]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/jefftheworld</uri>
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			<updated>2013-10-11T06:18:54Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>it costs $50 to register with ASCAP</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[e.s.c.]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/e.s.c.</uri>
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			<updated>2013-10-11T06:04:13Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Live performance sound/stereo issues]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t understand the &quot;dont want to pay someone else to try and get paid myself&quot; &lt; Are you talking royalties or engineers.</p><p>And even if it is petty money, Its better in your pocket than someone else&#039;s, The beauty of it is, YOU don&#039;t have to perform, Bit different with chip but in other genres, if I write a melody, register it with APRA, Then Joe Blow down the street performs, I still get paid. </p><p>I can&#039;t really talk about ASCAP, But APRA, Any one could register, I know there is a 3 year old registered, Its a cute story for another time but yeah. And yeah your right, thats what I was saying with the Bigger Crowds Bigger Cheques. </p><p>But seriously man, you may aswell register with them, Whats the worst that can happen, You get a Cheque for $5. Theres a free meal basically.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[SwebMusic]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/SwebMusic</uri>
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			<updated>2013-10-11T05:50:25Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Live performance sound/stereo issues]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>so its my own fault that i dont want to pay someone else to try and get paid myself?... for the record its only very recent that ascap would even let anyone get live performance royalties for anything but a top-grossing tour (top 200-300 of the whole year)... seems that changed last year... and from what i read online, those royalty payments aren&#039;t really more than a few dollars if you&#039;re playing to small crowds.. probably much worse since who knows how many of those venues even pay ascap to begin with.. its like how i can get my last.fm royalties, but thats not what id call real money</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[e.s.c.]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/e.s.c.</uri>
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			<updated>2013-10-11T05:18:09Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Live performance sound/stereo issues]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Deets on live royalty collection: <a href="http://blog.songtrust.com/how-to-2/collect-live-performance-royalties/" target="_blank">http://blog.songtrust.com/how-to-2/coll &#133; royalties/</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jefftheworld]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/jefftheworld</uri>
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			<updated>2013-10-11T04:42:48Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Live performance sound/stereo issues]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>e.s.c. wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>royalties? never been paid any of those in the past 12+ years. literally gigs with 6 acts, 50+ attendees and after venue, soundguy and doorgirl get their cuts, they say theyve got $37 for the acts to split.. sometimes nothing at all</p></blockquote></div><p>If your not being paid royalties, its your own fault, provided your music is original, register with a collection agency, Like APRA for copyright Or PPCA for Phonograph here in Australia, I think you BMI &amp; ASCAP in the US (Look Up, Im Not entirely Sure), Every quarter or 6 months or so, You fill in a Live Performance return with all the shows you played and once that is verified, KA-CHING. Royalty payments.</p><p>The bigger the performance the bigger the check.</p><p>Hope that helps you get some dosh. <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[SwebMusic]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/SwebMusic</uri>
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			<updated>2013-10-11T04:23:33Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>SwebMusic wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Sound guy doesn&#039;t get paid royalties like most live performers do, provided the fill in a live performance return with their collection society</p></blockquote></div><p>Although there are unions in cities like New York, Los Angeles, and Nashville, for the most part we do not have this in the US. You can be paid (poorly) as the songwriter.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[chunter]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-10-10T13:29:55Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>TSS and I have a history of being arrogant cocks to each other on the Internet (see you at 8static!)</p><p>It&#039;s pretty much what Wizwars said.&nbsp; And I always tell them it is stereo (with the request that the channels be panned only 15-20% if the room is wide and PA is stereo).&nbsp; &nbsp;</p><p>The thing with the subs, I was right, and asked politely.&nbsp; I know how much low end I SHOULD be emitting, especially since a lot of the bass notes are fundamental waveforms.&nbsp; I treat sound guys great because they can literally kill your performance, it&#039;s like insulting the cook making your food. It doesn&#039;t mean that I can&#039;t judge them for being bad at their job.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[danimal cannon]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/danimal+cannon</uri>
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			<updated>2013-10-10T02:16:24Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Live performance sound/stereo issues]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>royalties? never been paid any of those in the past 12+ years. literally gigs with 6 acts, 50+ attendees and after venue, soundguy and doorgirl get their cuts, they say theyve got $37 for the acts to split.. sometimes nothing at all</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[e.s.c.]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/e.s.c.</uri>
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			<updated>2013-10-10T00:37:45Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>e.s.c. wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>i wish the soundguys were underpaid in chicago... most gigs that i&#039;ve played here, they made more than all the artists got combined</p></blockquote></div><p>Sound guy doesn&#039;t get paid royalties like most live performers do, provided the fill in a live performance return with their collection society</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[SwebMusic]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/SwebMusic</uri>
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			<updated>2013-10-10T00:33:08Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Live performance sound/stereo issues]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>i wish the soundguys were underpaid in chicago... most gigs that i&#039;ve played here, they made more than all the artists got combined</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[e.s.c.]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/e.s.c.</uri>
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			<updated>2013-10-10T00:21:52Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Most of the venues I work with, we&#039;re either the sound guys (which is ALWAYS the fucking best) or the sound guys are volunteers and do not get paid anything. In these instances, they&#039;re usually the best kind of people and make the show sound awesome with little bullshit. But I did used to have a lot of problems with this in the past so I feel what Danimal is saying. Even if you&#039;re using a mono PA a mixer can still receive the two inputs, they just won&#039;t be panned. A lot of time the problem comes in when a soundguy fucks up and does something wrong on his end. It might be a thankless job but that doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s alright to suck at it. Sending a mixer to the house PA is as simple of a setup as one can be.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Wizwars]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Wizwars</uri>
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			<updated>2013-10-10T00:01:51Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>tempsoundsolutions wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>th</p></blockquote></div><p>damn! touche</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[spacetownsavior]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/spacetownsavior</uri>
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			<updated>2013-10-09T22:57:35Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Live performance sound/stereo issues]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>i need to move a scat out of my body so i am going to have to be prompt with my response. </p><p>the thing about it is this: th</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[tempsoundsolutions]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/tempsoundsolutions</uri>
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			<updated>2013-10-09T19:44:07Z</updated>
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