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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Melodys and Chords]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Chip scene has the highest count of theory nerds in any kind of electronic music, really.</p><p>Chapeau!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[DKSTR]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/DKSTR</uri>
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			<updated>2013-12-28T05:01:51Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Melodys and Chords]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Also, one-hour compo.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[chunter]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/chunter</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2013-12-28T04:50:17Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Melodys and Chords]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>sandneil wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Grymmtymm wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>you can&#039;t improv with trackers like you can with actual instruments like piano &amp; guitar = come up with melodies and riffs quickly</p></blockquote></div><p>hmm...<br /><div class="embed_video"><iframe width="560" height="340" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/1Jg0FUAlzl0" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe></div></p></blockquote></div><p>Ah yeah it&#039;s quite possible, I use FT2&#039;s liveplay as much as a real keyboard. (pro-tip: get a decent computer keyboard so you don&#039;t get blocked key signals)&nbsp; Maybe he&#039;s thinking of ones where you use a joypad.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[4mat]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/4mat</uri>
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			<updated>2013-12-27T22:39:29Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Grymmtymm wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>you can&#039;t improv with trackers like you can with actual instruments like piano &amp; guitar = come up with melodies and riffs quickly</p></blockquote></div><p>hmm...<br /><div class="embed_video"><iframe width="560" height="340" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/1Jg0FUAlzl0" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe></div></p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[sandneil]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/sandneil</uri>
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			<updated>2013-12-27T22:26:25Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>why not have a song done up on a gameboy and play guitar over it? this has been a lot of fun for me just playing around. still gotta get over the stagefright thing</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[bitjacker]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/bitjacker</uri>
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			<updated>2013-12-27T21:09:48Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/196272/#p196272</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Melodys and Chords]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>anthrium wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Grymmtymm wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>6. don&#039;t make trackers your only musical outlet, as knowing how to play at least one instrument can go a long way.</p></blockquote></div><p>it helps..but that depends on the person. you can quite happily learn to make music with trackers without having to ever use or learn any instrument. trackers can teach people a lot. I don&#039;t agree with not making trackers your only musical outlet. I agree that it&#039;s probably good to get into more advanced sequencers but trackers like renoise, modplug etc. are incredibly powerful and flexible enough for most things.</p><p>keep on trackin&#039; <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>/adam</p></blockquote></div><p>yeah but you can&#039;t improv with trackers like you can with actual instruments like piano &amp; guitar = come up with melodies and riffs quickly</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Grymmtymm]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Grymmtymm</uri>
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			<updated>2013-12-27T18:31:14Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Melodys and Chords]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>@ Sandneil, awesome mini tutorial.<br />I have learnt so much in just 3mins <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Booga]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Booga</uri>
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			<updated>2013-12-26T07:55:07Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Melodys and Chords]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Sandneil this is one hell of a great comment !!! Thanks ! <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>inb4...overabuse the 0-4-7-C !!! <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[XyNo]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/XyNo</uri>
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			<updated>2013-12-25T07:17:08Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Melodys and Chords]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>jTHis was a very good and specific beginners guide. I applaud you sandneil.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[SketchMan3]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/SketchMan3</uri>
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			<updated>2013-12-25T05:25:23Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Melodys and Chords]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>ok heres the happy notes<br /></p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>C D E F G A B C</code></pre></div><p>heres the sad noes<br /></p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>C D D# F G G# A# C</code></pre></div><p>if you want to make a chords you just pick a note, the one two above, th one two above<br /></p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>C D E F G A B C
  ^   ^   ^
D F A - a chord</code></pre></div><div class="codebox"><pre><code>C D D# F G G# A# C
    ^    ^    ^    
D# G A# - a chord</code></pre></div><div class="codebox"><pre><code>C D E F G A B C D E F G A B C
          ^   ^   ^
A C E - a chord</code></pre></div><p>if youw ant to make a really professinoal chord you can extend the process once more<br /></p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>C D E F G A B C D E F G A B C
      ^   ^   ^   ^
F A C E - a cool chord</code></pre></div><p>also you can swap the notes. like if you have FACE You can also have ACEF and ECFA and so on to make cooler chords</p><p>you can also use different notes</p><p>then when youre doing your melody what you can do is use the notes that make the chord OR notes that makea a better version of the chord</p><p>say you already have F A C (F chord) and you want to put a note over it<br />you could put F, A, C, over it if you wanted</p><p>or you could put a note that makes it into an even cooler chord<br /></p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>C D E F G A B C D E F G A B C 
      ^   ^   ^   *
yeah, E is a good note on the F chord</code></pre></div><p>but! E sounds really weird over and F chord, so maybe you should play F, A or C afterwards, to relax the ear muscle after the tension of the weird chord</p><p>why does E sound really weird over the F chord? it is to do with the gaps between the notes:</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>C D E F G A B C D E F G A B C
^ ^             adjacent notes sounds weird
^   ^           a gap of one sounds really good
^     ^         a gap of two sounds ok but not great
^       ^       a gap of three sounds excellent, but boring
^         ^     a gap of four can sound excellent or boring
^           ^   a gap of five sounds weird
^             ^ a gap of six? huh this is the same note. it sounds the same</code></pre></div><p>this is true not just from C but from any of the notes, it is about the gaps not the actual notes. it even applies to the sad notes...</p><p>also you can see that some gaps are related to each other<br /></p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>C D E F G A B C
^   ^         ^
 one    four
E is either one or four away from C depending on your worldview</code></pre></div><p>which is called Inversion (because you turn the gap upside down!)</p><p>so whats the point of all this gaps stuff<br />well, when youre making your melody you know some extra stuff</p><p>if you have a C chord, a good note for your melody over the C chord would be E (happy) or D# (sad)<br />however!!! no one likes a melody that is always sounding good, it gets boring (imagine a film that is happy the whole way through)</p><p>what the real master composers do is use a bad or weird sounding note, and then switch to a good sounding note (imagine a drama film with a happy ending)</p><p>so you could have your chord A C E <br />and over it you could play C (good) and then play D (wow, weird) and then play E (nice!)</p><p>if you just played C and E your listener would be bored</p><p>ok next up<br /><span class="bbu"> Melodic Tricks </span></p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>REPETITION</code></pre></div><p>repetition is important as hell. lets check out a popular song: <br /></p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>ten green bottles sitting on a wall
ten green bottles sitting on a wall
if one green bottle should have a little fall
there&#039;ll be nine green bottles, sitting on a wall
...</code></pre></div><p>see how this song repeats? but it doesn&#039;t just repeat over and over again, it varies a bit, does a different bit, and then goes back to the start. if you do this with your melodies and chords you will have great success</p><p><span class="bbu"> the end </span><br />thanks for reading my guide to musical theory</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[sandneil]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/sandneil</uri>
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			<updated>2013-12-24T17:25:02Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Melodys and Chords]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Grymmtymm wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>6. don&#039;t make trackers your only musical outlet, as knowing how to play at least one instrument can go a long way.</p></blockquote></div><p>it helps..but that depends on the person. you can quite happily learn to make music with trackers without having to ever use or learn any instrument. trackers can teach people a lot. I don&#039;t agree with not making trackers your only musical outlet. I agree that it&#039;s probably good to get into more advanced sequencers but trackers like renoise, modplug etc. are incredibly powerful and flexible enough for most things.</p><p>keep on trackin&#039; <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>/adam</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[anthrium]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/anthrium</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2013-12-24T06:39:05Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Melodys and Chords]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Watching others do it helps a lot too. Watch how people structure melodies, et cetera.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[xylo]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/xylo</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2013-12-23T09:52:50Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Best advice I can give you, keep placing notes Down until you get something that sounds good.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Orin]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Orin</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2013-12-23T06:13:25Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>ShinigamiMachine wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>boaconstructor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>oh wow an aspiring chiptuner from St Louis O__O</p></blockquote></div><p>Hey! So am I! You got a problem with St. Louis? <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/tongue.png" width="15" height="15" alt="tongue" /></p></blockquote></div><p>no problems at all ^__^ I have been living in St Louis since August, was unaware that there were other folks interested in chips here besides me, shitbird, Dream Fox, and Solid State Disaster!!!</p><p>Keep doin it yo, you are blessed to have some rad chippers in your city</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[boaconstructor]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/boaconstructor</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2013-12-22T22:06:55Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Use the minor/major pentatonic scales. Cheat scales for musical success.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[PROTODOME]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/PROTODOME</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2013-12-16T00:03:20Z</updated>
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