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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Theory Necessary for LSDJ?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the replies and helpful comments guys. <br />*Is having a better idea of how to go about this now*</p><p>I&#039;ll be working on improving and learning and picking up new tricks along the way, and I&#039;ll be back. <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p><p>Peace.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Shaturu]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Shaturu</uri>
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			<updated>2013-12-20T02:48:41Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Theory Necessary for LSDJ?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>danimal cannon wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>nickmaynard wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>will learning more about music help you write music? yes it will.</p></blockquote></div><p>Just as importantly, it will let you efficiently and effectively communicate with other musicians who also know music theory.</p></blockquote></div><p>And also, inversely, writing music will help you learn about music. I go to a conservatory-style music school pursuing a Bachelor of Music in Music Composition and I will attest to the fact that often when stuff like chromatic mediants, secondary dominants, whatever, was introduced, I&#039;d have this &quot;Oh okay, THAT thing&quot; moment because I&#039;ve found the gist of it years ago while recording guitar in my bedroom or something.</p><p>&quot;Music theory doesn&#039;t prescribe music; it describes music.&quot;</p><p>While taking an intro theory course early on in my communications degree my teacher told the class this, and I immediately switched my major.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[sleepytimejesse]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/sleepytimejesse</uri>
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			<updated>2013-12-19T23:10:49Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Theory Necessary for LSDJ?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>nickmaynard wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>will learning more about music help you write music? yes it will.</p></blockquote></div><p>Just as importantly, it will let you efficiently and effectively communicate with other musicians who also know music theory.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[danimal cannon]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/danimal+cannon</uri>
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			<updated>2013-12-19T08:47:24Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Theory Necessary for LSDJ?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>@shaturu:</p><p>maybe you&#039;re taking the problem on a too &#039;&#039;global&#039;&#039; way.</p><p>you will not buy a book, read a book... and be good, ok, next step.</p><br /><p>What I would advise you, at my very humble level, is &#039;&#039;get into a song&#039;&#039;, start writing a melody or chords, or whatever... and search for a specific info / tutorial on the net as soon as you encounter a specific &#039;&#039;blocking point&#039;&#039;</p><p>you will gradually pick up small bits of knowlegde that will eventually all link together at some point.</p><p>I mean, &#039;&#039;music theory&#039;&#039; is a huge field, you will not need everything, and anyway &#039;&#039;getting everything&#039;&#039; in one go is a silly utopia.</p><p>I&#039;d get started with something like: &#039;&#039;composing music for beginners&#039;&#039; on google and see where it leads...</p><p>trust your hears too...</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Sesska]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Sesska</uri>
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			<updated>2013-12-19T07:59:47Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/195418/#p195418</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Theory Necessary for LSDJ?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>something important to note about music theory is that it doesn&#039;t automatically make you &quot;better&quot; at music -- music theory is a method of deconstructing music to figure out what makes things sound the way they do. it isn&#039;t something you necessarily learn in order to make music; rather, it&#039;s something that helps you talk about music in a language other than &quot;it sounds happy&quot; or &quot;it sounds like sabrepulse.&quot; </p><p>I find that too often people think of music theory as just a skill that you can put on a checklist of things that make people musicians. people can write great music without knowing the theory behind it, but what the theory does is let you recontextualize what you&#039;re doing. so instead of talking about just &quot;sounds&quot; you start talking about &quot;notes&quot; and &quot;chords&quot; and &quot;rhythms.&quot; once you&#039;re able to hear the theory behind the music you listen to, it gets way easier to take those principles and apply them to your own music.</p><p>so if I were to advise you on how to go about studying it, I&#039;d say learn about a specific thing like key signatures or whatever, and then listen to music that you like and try to deconstruct it in terms of that thing you studied. so if you studied something like inverted chords, listen to a piece of music and try to spot when you hear inverted chords. and more generally, try listening to the rhythms and listening to how certain tones are arranged against other tones, and figure out why you like or dislike a piece of music by describing it in terms of music theory, rather than describing it by referencing genre or other songs. saying that you dislike something because &quot;it sounds bad&quot; is way less constructive than saying you dislike it because there isn&#039;t enough harmonic variation (but it&#039;s WAY less pretentious too).</p><p>last thing: don&#039;t get caught up on notation, i.e. the way people transcribe music. stuff like grand staffs and treble clefs and bass clefs and stuff like that. a lot of people like to talk about music theory in terms of notation, but it&#039;s important to realize that a piece of music can be interpreted any number of ways, of which notation is but one. it&#039;s important to know, yes, but just know that it&#039;s just a visual representation of what is an aural experience.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[spacetownsavior]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/spacetownsavior</uri>
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			<updated>2013-12-18T23:33:32Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Theory Necessary for LSDJ?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>will learning more about music help you write music? yes it will.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[nickmaynard]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/nickmaynard</uri>
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			<updated>2013-12-18T21:43:04Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Theory Necessary for LSDJ?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the resource! Anyone have any other composition book that you feel is worth a read apart from the dummies one? I&#039;m probably going to make a trip down to the library to find a book that I like. Cheers! And thanks for answering all my questions. I feel so welcomed. C:</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Shaturu]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Shaturu</uri>
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			<updated>2013-12-18T21:24:40Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Theory Necessary for LSDJ?]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/195335/#p195335"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtmXTFz1KSa-dEJEcTZCM25lb2NDT2dObFhaaTcyeVE&amp;usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc &#133; sp=sharing</a><br />a few rhythms... add to it if you come up with something cool, just dont edit what is already there.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[bitjacker]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/bitjacker</uri>
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			<updated>2013-12-18T21:05:48Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Theory Necessary for LSDJ?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thanks guys. Looking at the replies it looks like I&#039;ll be diving into simple, beginner level theory and then progress on to basic composition as well. Just to wrap this up&nbsp; anyone have any nice resources that you can put your name behind? Thanks. <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Shaturu]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Shaturu</uri>
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			<updated>2013-12-18T21:02:16Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Theory Necessary for LSDJ?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Another thing people may not realize is how much music theory you know already intuitively from years of listening to music. Even if you are unaware of what you are doing, the minute you are copying a song or motif you&#039;ve heard in your daily life, you are applying music theory to your works.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[herr_prof]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/herr_prof</uri>
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			<updated>2013-12-18T18:38:26Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Theory Necessary for LSDJ?]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/195310/#p195310"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I think the moniker &quot;music theory&quot; confuses people. Think of it less as a field of theory, and more as a language you want to speak. Then ask yourself if you need to learn English to write someone a love letter.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[sleepytimejesse]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/sleepytimejesse</uri>
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			<updated>2013-12-18T18:33:56Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Theory Necessary for LSDJ?]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/195306/#p195306"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>LSDJ is a musical tool. You need to understand music to get anything listenable out of it. If you don&#039;t have much musical background you&#039;ll have to face the same learning curve as learning an instrument on top of LSDJ&#039;s workflow.</p><p>Theory wont hurt but time and effort are the key factors.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[ForaBrokenEarth]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/ForaBrokenEarth</uri>
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			<updated>2013-12-18T17:52:28Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Theory Necessary for LSDJ?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>*grabs little sound DJ from littlesoundDJ.com*<br />*grabs music theory from music theory.net*<br />*talent.net is just a parked website <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/sad.png" width="15" height="15" alt="sad" />*</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[extreme zan-zan-zawa-veia]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/extreme+zan-zan-zawa-veia</uri>
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			<updated>2013-12-18T17:44:42Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/195305/#p195305</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Theory Necessary for LSDJ?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>go to the pawn shop right now. buy a crappy yet sturdy electric guitar. learn some chords. learn which progressions are sort of the standard.<br />a little roland micro cube (maybe $30) will have an aux in to plug your gameboy in to (poor man&#039;s drum machine).<br />if you go 1 day without atleast 20 minutes of working on music take all of your music stuff back to the pawn shop...<br />learn which modes to use for melodic lines sitting on top of chords. fitting melodies with harmonies is really a lost art. example: over a minorflat9flat6 chord you use phrygian (just pick random notes out of the scale and dont look back). over a half diminished chord use locrian. mixolydian mode is good for turnarounds and over dominant7 chords. minor chords require the use of dorian mode.<br />I don&#039;t play loud music after lunch.&lt;--- remember that and your ready to compose.<br />modes are not the only scales. try a phrygian bassline with a melody from the gypsy scale (bulletproof) (pantie dropper) again choose random notes.<br />dont let anyone convince you that you need structure or nothing new will ever happen. experiment with the hop command... make a cool melody and put a hop command in d of the phrase. better yet if you have nanoloop 2 fill all 4 channels with different notes and sounds and filters (of scales that fit together) and set them to play randomly and fall asleep with headphones in your ears. your subconcious will be impregnated with melodies then.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[bitjacker]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/bitjacker</uri>
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			<updated>2013-12-18T17:40:05Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/195304/#p195304</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Theory Necessary for LSDJ?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>ive accumulated quite a lot of theory knowledge over the years &amp; the only bits of it that are useful to me on a day to day basis are<br />- knowing a minor scale<br />- knowing a major scale<br />- the basics of counterpoint</p><p>besides that ive learn more just from collabing with friends and messing around</p><p>ofc it depends on what your goal is because some music is more formulaic/theory&nbsp; based and other is less so</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[sandneil]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/sandneil</uri>
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			<updated>2013-12-18T09:59:49Z</updated>
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