<![CDATA[ChipMusic.org - Jumping on the Amiga boat.]]> 2010-06-06T16:45:52Z PunBB https://chipmusic.org/forums/topic/1388/jumping-on-the-amiga-boat/ <![CDATA[Re: Jumping on the Amiga boat.]]> First of all, your AMiga could be salvaged. Not starting up could be fauty capacitors, ICs not seated properly, an easy fix. DO NOT strip it as parts unless you are totally sure.

Now onto the expansions.

The first one is a Microbotocs M501. Standard fare: 512KB RAM of Chip RAM, batter backed-up clock.
Second one is a Baseboard. 4MB of Fast RAM.  Battery backed up clock.

So the second one is better, but also might introduce compatibility problems with certain software.

I am not 100% sure about SCSI-CF, because CF is basically IDE standard, so you would be looking at a SCSI-IDE->CF solution which I don't know if it exists.
Quick google search: http://www.pc-pitstop.com/scsi_ide_adapters/
Expensive.

]]> https://chipmusic.org/akira%5E8GB 2010-06-06T16:45:52Z https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/25556/#p25556 <![CDATA[Re: Jumping on the Amiga boat.]]>

So one of the a500s wouldn't start up so I opened it up today and decided to salvage a bunch from it.
I discovered they both had ram upgrades but they are both different. Any idea if one is better than the other?

Also i have an a590 drive, would it be possible to use some kind of scsi>compact flash magic to be able to do snazzy things?

(and anyone up for a spare a500 keyboard or chipset? i figured i'd take what i could from the non working machine)

]]> https://chipmusic.org/godinpants 2010-06-06T14:36:03Z https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/25539/#p25539 <![CDATA[Re: Jumping on the Amiga boat.]]> Lucky man!
Cheers to you.
Check the RECOMMENDED LINKS bit on this very forum. You'll have every Amiga resource you may find (I should update it with some more info)

]]> https://chipmusic.org/akira%5E8GB 2010-05-11T13:33:24Z https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/22590/#p22590 <![CDATA[Re: Jumping on the Amiga boat.]]> I picked it up this afternoon. They gave me 2 A500s and an external drive for one of them. Amongst the bucket of disks they gave me I've found about 30 copies of workbench 1.3.something and a bunch of porn.

]]> https://chipmusic.org/godinpants 2010-05-11T08:56:21Z https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/22560/#p22560 <![CDATA[Re: Jumping on the Amiga boat.]]> akira^8GB wrote:

arfink, interesting, redirecting the input from the serial device to a disk.
it should be fucking annoying but good for the first disk.

The program TRANSDISK is NOT part of Workbench. It's a software you download. There is no way to write an image to disk with the tools provided with Workbench. So I guess one has to use that second method. It's not THAT bad.

Then again, if you have no Workbench disk.... chicken and egg.

Well, you got to remember, I'm not an Amiga user. Or even an Amiga owner. As for transferring from serial to disk on the A2, it can indeed take a bit. The first round isn't even from serial to disk though, it's from serial straight to the in-RAM assembler, from which it is immediately excecuted. You can save the bootloader to disk after it's all done. Kinda nifty.

However, since the vast majority of Apple II software is on 5.25 disks which amount to 160kb or less that usually isn't too bad, it's the big 800kb disks for the IIgs which take a while. Even at 19200 baud, which is above spec, an 800kb disk image takes 5 minutes or so. Of course, I decided to spring for a compact flash hard disk adapter for my IIgs which makes transfers somewhat less slow, but the process of opening the IIgs up, pulling the drive, moving it to my PC, adding the data, and getting everything put back together again takes about as long as making another floppy. So I normally reserve that kind of work for major operations that involve many megabytes of data.

Anyways, I'm getting off topic. Good luck with jumping on the boat!

]]> https://chipmusic.org/arfink 2010-05-11T03:21:57Z https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/22540/#p22540 <![CDATA[Re: Jumping on the Amiga boat.]]> arfink, interesting, redirecting the input from the serial device to a disk.
it should be fucking annoying but good for the first disk.

The program TRANSDISK is NOT part of Workbench. It's a software you download. There is no way to write an image to disk with the tools provided with Workbench. So I guess one has to use that second method. It's not THAT bad.

Then again, if you have no Workbench disk.... chicken and egg.

]]> https://chipmusic.org/akira%5E8GB 2010-05-11T02:56:23Z https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/22536/#p22536 <![CDATA[Re: Jumping on the Amiga boat.]]> I will be jumping on the Amiga boat so hard it capsizes. Hoping to pick up a 1200 for cheap while I'm in Europe this summer. They're harder to find in the US.

]]> https://chipmusic.org/Awol 2010-05-11T01:00:53Z https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/22531/#p22531 <![CDATA[Re: Jumping on the Amiga boat.]]> On the Apple II you can actually put it into a mode where it echoes serial input into the assembler, allowing rapid boodstraping. Which is awesome! Still, if you only have a working Workbench disk you're all set.

]]> https://chipmusic.org/arfink 2010-05-11T00:50:07Z https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/22529/#p22529 <![CDATA[Re: Jumping on the Amiga boat.]]> Amusing chicken and egg situation getting the transfer software to Amiga.  Shame the converters are quite large or you could type the thing out in a hexeditor, I've done that on c64 before.

]]> https://chipmusic.org/4mat 2010-05-11T00:47:10Z https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/22528/#p22528 <![CDATA[Re: Jumping on the Amiga boat.]]> Huh, one would think there would be a good bootstrapping routine/program for the Amiga. In fact, I think I saw one here:
http://wiki.abime.net/file_transfer/adf_sender

It's not exactly chicken-and-egg, since all you need is a Workbench disk.

Alternatively, you can use these directions:
http://adfsender.stoeggl.com/adfsendert … thods.html

See, this is why I love my Apple IIgs- the firmware is very robust to begin with, allowing no-disk bootstrapping via serial cable.

]]> https://chipmusic.org/arfink 2010-05-11T00:38:43Z https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/22525/#p22525 <![CDATA[Re: Jumping on the Amiga boat.]]> iirc back in the day I used single sided disks and a (commercial) amiga program called DOS2DOS to get stuff to and from PC.   Used to use that for transferring college work and as a bonus getting things onto the ST.   Typical Commodore non-standard disc formats.

]]> https://chipmusic.org/4mat 2010-05-10T19:32:23Z https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/22479/#p22479 <![CDATA[Re: Jumping on the Amiga boat.]]> I am using Protracker 1.3 too, 4mat. it's fine for starting.

The problem with the A500 is its lack of modern day accessories that are compatible with PC. With an A600/1200 you can get PCMCIA card readers or IDE hard drives. the A500 is a bitch.

your problem will be transferring files to/from the PC. I would use the serial transfer method as well.
But to me an A500 is pretty useless for said accessory lack reasons. So getting HOMBRE on an Amiga disk will be a problem for you. This is an egg/chicken situation. Somehow you need to sort out your first disk. Maybe someone can help you.

]]> https://chipmusic.org/akira%5E8GB 2010-05-10T15:19:09Z https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/22436/#p22436 <![CDATA[Re: Jumping on the Amiga boat.]]> I just connected my PC and my Amiga via nullmodem cable, and used the terminal programs "ncomm" on amiga and HyperTerminal on PC.

On my A600/A1200 I use a compactflash PCMCIA card for data transfer. Search ebay for "ADF transferer kit".

]]> https://chipmusic.org/motone 2010-05-10T13:07:37Z https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/22418/#p22418 <![CDATA[Re: Jumping on the Amiga boat.]]> That seems like the easiest way to go about it.

I'll get in on the "hombre me" as well.

]]> https://chipmusic.org/godinpants 2010-05-10T12:38:08Z https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/22414/#p22414 <![CDATA[Re: Jumping on the Amiga boat.]]> Probably Hombre on floppy is the simplest way to get stuff between PC and A500, and then just Protracker 2.something and you are good to go.

While we're at it, some of my floppies got wiped sad so I need a Hombre too. Anyone? smile

]]> https://chipmusic.org/ant1 2010-05-10T11:44:49Z https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/22411/#p22411