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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: fakebit topic 04/14: without fakebit i am nothing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>rippers die !!!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[ellen_page]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/ellen_page</uri>
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			<updated>2014-04-17T19:46:11Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: fakebit topic 04/14: without fakebit i am nothing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The article is a list of observations with no real point, I&#039;m not even sure he draws a conclusion about authenticity. If anything, the real authentic/not authentic fight is over ripping, which itself is somewhat rare.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[chunter]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/chunter</uri>
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			<updated>2014-04-17T18:16:28Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: fakebit topic 04/14: without fakebit i am nothing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>&nbsp; wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>During our productive discussion I felt the urge to ask about a topic that I had the impression it was almost like a taboo regarding authenticity in chipmusic: Fakebit. The response was immediately unenthusiastic, and as the organiser informed me, this was one of the main reasons he decided to quit ‘the scene’[2].</p></blockquote></div><p>Oh god I don&#039;t know if i can read more of this</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[sleepytimejesse]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/sleepytimejesse</uri>
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			<updated>2014-04-17T18:13:58Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/206475/#p206475</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: fakebit topic 04/14: without fakebit i am nothing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Ultimately, chiptune music features a wide variety of styles (some constructed with an Atari, others by FL Studio kids). This really isn&#039;t a bad thing. It just means there&#039;ll be a style for everyone. <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/big_smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="big_smile" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Ash C.]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Ash+C.</uri>
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			<updated>2014-04-17T17:24:04Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/206467/#p206467</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: fakebit topic 04/14: without fakebit i am nothing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>extreme zan-zan-zawa-veia wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Famitracker stuff to be fakebit because it&#039;s not a native tool</p></blockquote></div><p>choking on my own hypocrisy rite now</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Alpine]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Alpine</uri>
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			<updated>2014-04-17T16:44:55Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/206463/#p206463</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: fakebit topic 04/14: without fakebit i am nothing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I thought 8bc had over 100k members at some point. But according to the last archive.org snapshot before the takedown, the actual member count was 33931. </p><p>And as far as I remember, Micromusic was founded in 97, but the site went online in April &#039;99.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[irrlichtproject]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/irrlichtproject</uri>
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			<updated>2014-04-17T15:02:24Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/206457/#p206457</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: fakebit topic 04/14: without fakebit i am nothing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Eh 6/10. There&#039;s quite a bit of academic verbiage, but the thesis is weak and not well supported other than anecdotes. There are a handful of fallacies due to oversimplification of categories. A good attempt at constructing&nbsp; a narrative, but ultimately nothing of substance is really established. I feel like the paper I s more of an extension of the arbitrary insulation that surrounds &quot;chip&quot; ephemera than a critique or illumination of principles at work that establish anything &quot;chip&quot; as a unique category. Worth the read though!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[sugar sk*-*lls]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/sugar+sk%2A-%2Alls</uri>
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			<updated>2014-04-17T14:59:10Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/206456/#p206456</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: fakebit topic 04/14: without fakebit i am nothing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>TSC wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Being the critical motherfucker I am (and because I&#039;m bored) -</p><p>&quot;but the founder, Jose Torres, told me that there were more than 50,000 registered members by the time 8bc was shut down&quot;</p><p>Proof?</p><p>&quot;After the emergence of micromusic.net in 1997&quot;</p><p>Source? </p><p>Both Wayback and Chipflip have it listed as 1999.</p><p>*EDIT* - spelling and no one cares whether or not I remember the years 1999 and earlier</p></blockquote></div><p>jose had a thing about not wanting to purge any of the spam/fake accounts, so there were probably 50,000 accounts at the end, but at least half were bots, people who signed up to boost their friends in the charts and bullshit like that. its great that the only people who seem to be named in the article as having actually spoken to the author are Jose and the chip-con dude, cause of course theyre really what the scene&#039;s all about, right? <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/tongue.png" width="15" height="15" alt="tongue" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[e.s.c.]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/e.s.c.</uri>
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			<updated>2014-04-17T14:11:49Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: fakebit topic 04/14: without fakebit i am nothing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Chipmusic sound is characterised by square wave ‘bleeps’&quot;</p><p>Nope.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[qb]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/qb</uri>
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			<updated>2014-04-17T13:04:29Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: fakebit topic 04/14: without fakebit i am nothing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#039;t even know about this phenomenon o_o I guess I&#039;m new to the scene</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[iamowlsense]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/iamowlsense</uri>
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			<updated>2014-04-17T01:41:00Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: fakebit topic 04/14: without fakebit i am nothing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>ESTEBAN WAS EATEN!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Axel-havoc]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Axel-havoc</uri>
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			<updated>2014-04-17T01:25:13Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: fakebit topic 04/14: without fakebit i am nothing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p><a class="postimg" href="http://i.imgur.com/MtJ6xax.png" title="http://i.imgur.com/MtJ6xax.png" id="forum_image_44151248"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/MtJ6xax.png" /></a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[SketchMan3]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/SketchMan3</uri>
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			<updated>2014-04-17T01:10:42Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: fakebit topic 04/14: without fakebit i am nothing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Being the critical motherfucker I am (and because I&#039;m bored) -</p><p>&quot;but the founder, Jose Torres, told me that there were more than 50,000 registered members by the time 8bc was shut down&quot;</p><p>Proof?</p><p>&quot;After the emergence of micromusic.net in 1997&quot;</p><p>Source? </p><p>Both Wayback and Chipflip have it listed as 1999.</p><p>*EDIT* - spelling and no one cares whether or not I remember the years 1999 and earlier</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[TSC]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/TSC</uri>
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			<updated>2014-04-16T15:20:02Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/206376/#p206376</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: fakebit topic 04/14: without fakebit i am nothing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Its funny seeing people parrot stuff disorted that people have been talking about for years. I found the younger the artist, the more it matters, but people forget that almost all the first releases on 8bitpeoples was fakebit vst based stuff. Good music is good, and no one&#039;s opinion who matters feels that chiptune made with a vst has any different value than one made on hardware.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[herr_prof]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/herr_prof</uri>
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			<updated>2014-04-16T15:00:54Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/206372/#p206372</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: fakebit topic 04/14: without fakebit i am nothing]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/206371/#p206371"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>ITT: People mad because they can&#039;t read</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Monotron]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Monotron</uri>
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			<updated>2014-04-16T14:43:17Z</updated>
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