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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Chipmusic Donations.]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/221270/#p221270"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough. I have to say that Patreon sounds like a really good idea. </p><p>As for my other thoughts on this. I&#039;m going to keep them reserved for a time when I&#039;m not so busy with development, it&#039;s going to be quite a while for sure. But I suspect that a lot of people will really like the idea I have in mind.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[CountSymphoniC]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/CountSymphoniC</uri>
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			<updated>2014-11-15T00:12:29Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/221270/#p221270</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Chipmusic Donations.]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/221269/#p221269"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The first and foremost reason that we currently do not accept donations is because it isn&#039;t really needed. There is no urgent lack of money to pay the bills for the site. So, we decided to not accept donations, as a general policy. One problem with accepting donations is that may, even if just implicitly, put an obligation on the site staff to put a certain amount of effort into the site, such as developing the code base of the site further. At this point, I think most of staff are full-time working adults, sometimes with children, who don&#039;t really have a lot of time to spare on the site. Accepting donations may then give the wrong impression and in the future raise questions of what the money is actually used for. We are indeed extra cautious about this aspect because of what happened to 8bc back in the day.</p><p>But even if there was an urgent need for funding, donations are still problematic. It&#039;s easy to make a donation drive and make people donate. It&#039;s not so easy to get a consistent flow of money. The best solution for all parties would be to somehow encourage people to make small, but regular donations (or possibly payments). Having a system in place that would make it easy for people to make small, reoccuring donations might would be preferred if we accepted donations. The service Patreon has done this for content creators, (such as YouTube vloggers etc) where they deposit money into their account, and then donate a certain amount for every video uploaded by a certain user.</p><p>With all this said, if you&#039;re actually intent on giving a donation, you may contact trash80 in private and I&#039;m sure he&#039;ll accept it, but nevertheless, at the time being it&#039;s not really necessary.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[nitro2k01]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/nitro2k01</uri>
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			<updated>2014-11-14T23:35:56Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/221269/#p221269</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Chipmusic Donations.]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/221262/#p221262"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t really understand this whole &quot;chipmusic needs to expand&quot; thing, but eh. I like the direction it&#039;s already going already.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[SketchMan3]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/SketchMan3</uri>
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			<updated>2014-11-14T22:48:33Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/221262/#p221262</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Chipmusic Donations.]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/221258/#p221258"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>nickmaynard wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>why do you think they need money?</p></blockquote></div><p>Although that may seemingly be the implication, I never said they did. It goes a bit deeper than that. </p><p>I&#039;m looking for ways to help Chipmusic expand, as a forum and as a movement. Everyone here could benefit from that, not to mention all the people out there who would enjoy the music we create that haven&#039;t even discovered it yet. </p><p>Keep in mind- even if this little donation campaign I&#039;m on fails, I have other ideas but I probably wouldn&#039;t have the time to set them into motion until Prodigy is more releasable. But money is a step that could help make it all happen. I seriously think we can take our stuff to a whole new level.</p><p>Anyways, back to coding...</p><p>Btw, thanks BLEO.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[CountSymphoniC]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/CountSymphoniC</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2014-11-14T22:34:10Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/221258/#p221258</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Chipmusic Donations.]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/221256/#p221256"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>why do you think they need money?</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[nickmaynard]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/nickmaynard</uri>
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			<updated>2014-11-14T22:01:06Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/221256/#p221256</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Chipmusic Donations.]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/221234/#p221234"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>CountSymphonic: There was a bit of discussion of this in the admin subforum. trash80 hasn&#039;t chimed in yet and it&#039;s really 100% his call. HOWEVER, I will reiterate here what I said there:</p><p>You are already contributing perfectly to the site by merely having a thread worth reading on the forum! That adds more value to the site than any monetary donation ever could! Thank you!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[BLEO]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/BLEO</uri>
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			<updated>2014-11-14T14:26:54Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/221234/#p221234</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Chipmusic Donations.]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/221227/#p221227"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>herr_prof wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>trash80 has it covered, so just buy his records or something:<br /><a href="http://trash80.com/" target="_blank">http://trash80.com/</a></p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Bit Shifter]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Bit+Shifter</uri>
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			<updated>2014-11-14T10:09:55Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/221227/#p221227</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Chipmusic Donations.]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/221216/#p221216"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I assure you it&#039;s nothing personal.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[herr_prof]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/herr_prof</uri>
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			<updated>2014-11-14T05:17:04Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/221216/#p221216</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Chipmusic Donations.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I do.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[CountSymphoniC]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/CountSymphoniC</uri>
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			<updated>2014-11-14T04:33:11Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/221213/#p221213</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Chipmusic Donations.]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/221212/#p221212"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Who cares if they don&#039;t want your money?</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[herr_prof]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/herr_prof</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2014-11-14T04:32:00Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/221212/#p221212</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Chipmusic Donations.]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/221210/#p221210"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Am I understanding this correctly? Chipmusic will not accept donations because it does not want to fall to the same fate as 8bc? What? </p><p>That&#039;s like saying just because a lightning bolt struck and killed someone at a certain place, means we should all stay as far away from that place as possible. Look, maybe I don&#039;t know the whole story, but if one guy is willing to pay out of pocket to keep this forum alive, then we should all have the choice to support it as well. This isn&#039;t a corporate owned business. Of course, if you think I&#039;m crazy, then now would be a great time to call me out on it.</p><p>Allow me to illustrate my point with this: <br />As far as I know, Chipmusic.org at present time is the largest and best social gathering in forum form specifically for chiptune musicians and like minded people to join and share thoughts, ideas and art. We just had a sizeable paid offer for talent HERE. I&#039;ve looked around and everything else I&#039;ve come across is subpar compared to Chipmusic.org and maybe that&#039;s just a simple opinion of mine. However, Chipmusic.org is a place for growth, for the entire chiptune movement, and I&#039;d be willing to assert... a central pillar. </p><p>My goals are the success of the 8 and 16-bit chiptune movement and considering the tracker I&#039;m working on, my goals are most especially focused on the 16-bit movement. Shiru, Delek, cTrix and I all are providing software to help make this happen. I see absolutely no reason why Chipmusic.org can&#039;t be the next 8bc, or better yet surpass it. I&#039;ve heard numerous ex-chiptuners tell me that they gave up with the fall of 8bc. I get it, we don&#039;t want to walk through the same footsteps of 8bc, right? Are we going to make progress out of the concern that we&#039;ll repeat history, or are we going to make progress out of having the confidence to forge a new path?</p><p>Donations are one way to help the cause. To fortify the pillar. But there are many other ways that haven&#039;t been considered that could help expand everything we&#039;re doing here. More people need to hear our music and learn about what it is that we&#039;re doing here. This means more fans, more chiptuners, and more innovation. Music is an inter-inspired art form. We learn from each other and create new ideas based off of those ideas. </p><p>If everyone here thinks that donations aren&#039;t the answer, then what will it take beyond what we&#039;re already doing to expand? There&#039;s so much talent here that&#039;s waiting to be heard. Once in a while I poke around and listen to the music that other artists are creating here, and I hear amazing talent and potential. What is something that we can do to better expose the artistic creativity here to the rest of the world?</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[CountSymphoniC]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/CountSymphoniC</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2014-11-14T04:27:18Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/221210/#p221210</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Chipmusic Donations.]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/221159/#p221159"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>just donate to hamas instead, they can use the money.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[tempsoundsolutions]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/tempsoundsolutions</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2014-11-13T22:33:03Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/221159/#p221159</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Chipmusic Donations.]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/221158/#p221158"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>sandneil wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>well i don&#039;t really know either but there was a chiptunes website before this one that was popular and the guy who ran it dropped out of university to turn it into a company and then started doing wild and desperate things to keep the money coming in that hurt the community and made everyone come here instead and it was a bad and not fun time in internet chiptunes land so maybe it is something to do with that</p></blockquote></div><p>I think this is the clearest explanation I&#039;ve ever gotten for the downfall of 8bc, and the chiphip migration.<br />Ya, I&#039;d donate, but I get the vibe that this thing&#039;s a community project that wants to remain nourished by the quality of its members&#039; musical and technical (etc) contributions, rather than monetary support.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Jansaw]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Jansaw</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2014-11-13T22:24:57Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/221158/#p221158</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Chipmusic Donations.]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/221134/#p221134"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>CountSymphoniC wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I&#039;m not sure I understand the reasoning for this policy.</p></blockquote></div><p>well i don&#039;t really know either but there was a chiptunes website before this one that was popular and the guy who ran it dropped out of university to turn it into a company and then started doing wild and desperate things to keep the money coming in that hurt the community and made everyone come here instead and it was a bad and not fun time in internet chiptunes land so maybe it is something to do with that</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[sandneil]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/sandneil</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2014-11-13T18:53:45Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/221134/#p221134</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Chipmusic Donations.]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/221133/#p221133"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Because.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[TSC]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/TSC</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2014-11-13T18:39:53Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/221133/#p221133</id>
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