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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: C64 overhaul help]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>gilhelm wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> How can I have two fucked PSUs?.</p></blockquote></div><p>Maybe you don&#039;t. You can only be certain by testing your machine with a known working one from a friend or whatever.<br />Even if your PSU is OK, if one was faulty and it sent overvoltage to the C64, your machine will now be screwed and wont work with any PSU.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[akira^8GB]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/akira%5E8GB</uri>
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			<updated>2016-08-12T17:30:05Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: C64 overhaul help]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>akira^8GB wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Sounds like your PSU got fucked and took your C64 with it, a classic.<br />Did you measure the 9V line as an AC line?<br />Anyway, get a proper PSU and then see how much damage it did to the computer.</p></blockquote></div><p>Yea, I measured as an AC line on both supplies and they display between 4-7v. How can I have two fucked PSUs?</p><p>Uhg, just gonna buy a supply for Ray Carlsen....</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[gilhelm]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/gilhelm</uri>
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			<updated>2016-08-11T17:48:56Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: C64 overhaul help]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like your PSU got fucked and took your C64 with it, a classic.<br />Did you measure the 9V line as an AC line?<br />Anyway, get a proper PSU and then see how much damage it did to the computer.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[akira^8GB]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-08-11T17:05:21Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: C64 overhaul help]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Ok, so, I tested out my power supply (supplies, as it turns out) as instructed. Here they are:</p><p><a class="postimg" href="http://imgur.com/a/ZnG7I" title="http://imgur.com/a/ZnG7I" id="forum_image_99511402"><img src="http://imgur.com/a/ZnG7I" /></a></p><p>One of these came from a VIC-20 I purchased a while back. I&#039;m honestly unsure of which is which. I mixed them up during testing a few months ago. Is there a serious difference between them? Anyway, both of them put off 5v on pin 4/5 fine. I could not get pins 6/7 to read 9v. It always hovered around 4-5v. Initially spiking at 7v. It also seemed like it was either pin 6 or 7 putting out power rather than BOTH. This happened on both power supplies. Do I have my multimeter on the wrong setting?</p><p><a class="postimg" href="http://imgur.com/a/dhkKh" title="http://imgur.com/a/dhkKh" id="forum_image_55348148"><img src="http://imgur.com/a/dhkKh" /></a></p><p>Could both supplies be malfunctioning? Which one should I be using with my c64?</p><br /><p>In relation to one of my earlier question about chips, here&#039;s my pcb:</p><br /><p>ASSY NO.250407 REV.A<br /><a class="postimg" href="http://imgur.com/a/kdm82" title="http://imgur.com/a/kdm82" id="forum_image_87983064"><img src="http://imgur.com/a/kdm82" /></a></p><p>I&#039;ve heard that &quot;fried&quot; chips get a glossy sheen on the top of them rather than the matte finish they usually have. It seems like the two chips in the upper left have a different texture than the rest. Are they fried? I did notice some funny performance when loading up Turrican. Sometimes the whole system would slow down when certain effects were used on the title screen. Maybe it was just a bad crack of the game but it seemed almost as if strange characters were showing up instead of the proper effects. </p><p>Thanks again for your help!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[gilhelm]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/gilhelm</uri>
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			<updated>2016-08-11T13:01:52Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: C64 overhaul help]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>without a load on the transformer the AC output will be closer to 12v.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Boner]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-08-10T21:51:49Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: C64 overhaul help]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I can ask a general c64 PSU question: what&#039;s considered acceptable for the AC voltage? Seems like I&#039;ve seen ~12v, is that a problem?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[catskull]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-08-10T21:19:00Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: C64 overhaul help]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I can ask a general c64 PSU question: what&#039;s considered acceptable for the AC voltage? Seems like I&#039;ve seen ~12v, is that a problem?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[catskull]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-08-10T21:14:47Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: C64 overhaul help]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>You&#039;ve been very didactic Kvee, that&#039;s kind of you. I did the same for my PSU, except I wasn&#039;t careful enough and I shortcut two pins, which burned the fuse... I suggest you use a plastic cylinder around the pins (from a ball pen maybe?), that could help to isolate the outer ring and other pins.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[garvalf]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-08-10T20:55:24Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: C64 overhaul help]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Wow, thank you so much. I&#039;ll give this a try tonight. You&#039;ve been very helpful!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[gilhelm]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-08-10T14:55:59Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: C64 overhaul help]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>gilhelm wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I do have a Craftsman 11 multimeter - maybe now is a good time to learn how to use it? Care to give me a tutorial?</p></blockquote></div><p>I&#039;m gonna assume you have this model: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Craftsman-11-function-Multi-meter-Detector-34-82007/dp/B00GUJK7GW" target="_blank">https://www.amazon.com/Craftsman-11-fun &#133; B00GUJK7GW</a></p><p>1. Open this: <a href="https://www.c64-wiki.com/index.php/Power_Supply_Connector" target="_blank">https://www.c64-wiki.com/index.php/Powe &#133; _Connector</a>.<br />2. Set the meter to &quot;VDC&quot;<br />3. Put the black cable in &quot;COM&quot; and the red one in the connector that has &quot;V Ω CAP Temp Hz μA mA&quot;.<br />4. Plug the PSU in the wall outlet<br />5. Look at the picture in step 1, connect the black test lead to pin 2 (bottom, GND) and the red to pin 5 (you can also try 4, but there might not be anything depending on the PSU model). This should read a voltage somewhere around 5 V (some small difference is OK).<br />Be careful to only touch the specified pins and even more so to not short anything with the test leads (don&#039;t even touch the metal outer ring)! This can be tricky - fixing the PSU connector in place is recommended, also maybe rest your hands against something if they&#039;re not steady.<br />6. Remove the test leads and switch the multimeter to &quot;VAC&quot;<br />7. Once again put the black lead to pin 2 and measure pins 6 and then 7 with the red one, they should both be at about 9 V.</p><p>That should about do it.</p><p><em>(For a bit of a background: The meter (in VDC / VAC modes) measures the voltage difference across the COM and the right socket. COM means a common wire (that has the same voltage in a system) - it&#039;s usually used for ground and that means you&#039;d expect 0 V on it. Black color is commonly used to mark that. Then the red lead is used to compare any voltage in the system against the reference/ground/common voltage.)</em></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[kvee]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/kvee</uri>
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			<updated>2016-08-10T14:28:16Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: C64 overhaul help]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>garvalf wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Could you try to check the psu voltage first? (I mean voltage<span class="bbu">s</span>)</p></blockquote></div><p>You know, I would love to but I have no idea how to do that. I do have a Craftsman 11 multimeter - maybe now is a good time to learn how to use it? Care to give me a tutorial?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[gilhelm]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/gilhelm</uri>
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			<updated>2016-08-10T12:26:48Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: C64 overhaul help]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully your power supply didn&#039;t crap your system. They are &quot;suicide&quot; power supplies. They didn&#039;t have any built in protection in them for when they go bad.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[katsumbhong]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-08-10T10:23:44Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: C64 overhaul help]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Could you try to check the psu voltage first? (I mean voltage<span class="bbu">s</span>)</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[garvalf]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/garvalf</uri>
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			<updated>2016-08-10T04:50:24Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: C64 overhaul help]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>gilhelm wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Thanks for the response! I&#039;ll definitely be looking in to everything you talked about.</p><p>And just in case you didn&#039;t know about this place:<br /><a href="http://store.retroleum.co.uk/c64-capacitors" target="_blank">http://store.retroleum.co.uk/c64-capacitors</a></p></blockquote></div><p>No problem!<br />Cool, didn&#039;t know about this site. The note about voltages reminds me though - the rated voltage must be the same or bigger. Don&#039;t replace with smaller values, unless you&#039;re sure. They probably only warn you because they send some with bigger voltage rating (and that is OK).</p><p>If you by any chance run into a situation where the original caps are rated higher, it&#039;s better to double check with the schematic or ask someone to check for you. Generally, most of the C64&#039;s internals run on 5 V or 12 V, but the internal power circuit could require bigger values.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[kvee]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-08-09T20:50:04Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: C64 overhaul help]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the response! I&#039;ll definitely be looking in to everything you talked about.</p><p>And just in case you didn&#039;t know about this place:<br /><a href="http://store.retroleum.co.uk/c64-capacitors" target="_blank">http://store.retroleum.co.uk/c64-capacitors</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[gilhelm]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-08-09T18:00:13Z</updated>
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