4mat wrote:

Yes exactly, it wasn't unheard of to end up with only 20-30k free for audio on an amiga game.  Had to work in that space myself.

Oh that's an interesting point. So the reliance on simple waveforms and older music sounds was driven by its own technological limitations. The processor was ready for sampled audio, but not the storage media. And of course there was no mp3.

Indeed, at the time this was all 'cutting-edge' and, as musicians, priced a lot lower than comparable pro hardware.  If when the Amiga had come out there had been a machine with, say, 32 digi channels for the same price we'd probably have bought that instead.  I don't think anyone was thinking about forced limitations because this was 'teh future'.

Yes exactly, it wasn't unheard of to end up with only 20-30k free for audio on an amiga game.  Had to work in that space myself.

Oh that's an interesting point. So the reliance on simple waveforms and older music sounds was driven by its own technological limitations. The processor was ready for sampled audio, but not the storage media. And of course there was no mp3.

Personally I'd say no because the c64 was still a commercially active machine when chipmusic drivers were happening on the Amiga.  Even some early games had chipmusic-like tracks instead of the common sample-based ones.  It was more of a 'we can do this as well' thing than nostalgia I think, plus economically from a size POV having a chip song in a cracktro or game makes sense.

Or the game didn't leave you with more than 4k.

4mat wrote:

Chip sample tracker modules weren't called chipmusic because they used 'chips' of a bigger sound, it was because the small-form waveforms resembled the sounds from the old SID/AY etc. chips, rather than full samples.

So would it be accurate to say that chipmusic has been 'retro' since the beginning? As a music culture?

Personally I'd say no because the c64 was still a commercially active machine when chipmusic drivers were happening on the Amiga.  Even some early games had chipmusic-like tracks instead of the common sample-based ones.  It was more of a 'we can do this as well' thing than nostalgia I think, plus economically from a size POV having a chip song in a cracktro or game makes sense.

You'll find that nobody really seems to agree on what chip music really is. But that's what makes things so interesting on these kind of discussion threads.

Afterall, what would the world be without a little debate and discussion on subjective matters?

Don't get me wrong! It's just a debate that gets nowhere everytime and it is all semantics. That's why I say it is nonsense. Not beacuse it doesn't matter, is just that it doesn't move anyone forward, actually. It would help much more if it was a discussion based on other stuff than to give it a life as a genre or wtv.
Dunno if i'm making myself clear.

The main point is DO WHATEVER, NEVERMIND THE BOLLOCKS.

Chip sample tracker modules weren't called chipmusic because they used 'chips' of a bigger sound, it was because the small-form waveforms resembled the sounds from the old SID/AY etc. chips, rather than full samples.

So would it be accurate to say that chipmusic has been 'retro' since the beginning? As a music culture?

I thought everyone agreed chipmusic is a way not a genre. Wait what?

There are vaporwaves who grabs a little from chipmusic. And some would be called post-chip, with this definition proposed at the first post. Hell, some are chipmusic, at my book. (i don't have a book)

But this is nonsense. Do whatever, chip is not a genre, imo, but wtv anyway.

You'll find that nobody really seems to agree on what chip music really is. But that's what makes things so interesting on these kind of discussion threads.

Afterall, what would the world be without a little debate and discussion on subjective matters?

Yeah...

There are vaporwaves who grabs a little from chipmusic. And some would be called post-chip, with this definition proposed at the first post. Hell, some are chipmusic, at my book. (i don't have a book)

But this is nonsense. Do whatever, chip is not a genre, imo, but wtv anyway.

Only vaguely related but how come every single time we have some nelly coming in here asking questions someone feels the need to update the banner blurb to make fun of him

Seems more teasing than ridiculing to me. also I like when the blurb is regularly updated bc it's usually funny and lets me know if there's any good stuff going on in topics that I haven't been following until then

Only vaguely related but how come every single time we have some nelly coming in here asking questions someone feels the need to update the banner blurb to make fun of him

It's got nothing on http://reddit.com/r/japancirclejerk

Only vaguely related but how come every single time we have some nelly coming in here asking questions someone feels the need to update the banner blurb to make fun of him

I honestly don't mind. It's kind of funny, and at least some kind of genuine discussion seemed to have come out of this thread.