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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: new netlabel ?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>&#039;Official&#039; announcement will follow soon in the new topic !</p><p>-p</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[pXtR]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/pXtR</uri>
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			<updated>2010-07-23T18:41:22Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: new netlabel ?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>akira^8GB wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Oh, nice, a label just for tunes done by Eddie Svärd.</p><p><a class="postimg" href="http://arturovasquez.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/cricket.jpg" title="http://arturovasquez.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/cricket.jpg" id="forum_image_48215682"><img src="http://arturovasquez.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/cricket.jpg" /></a></p></blockquote></div><p>This post confuses me, but I effin&#039; love Eddie Svärd&#039;s stuff. Actually if it weren&#039;t for his SIDs (&quot;Blizzy&quot;, &quot;Cancer&quot; &quot;Severed&quot;) I probably would have been sick of chip stuff a long time ago.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[undergroundclouds]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/undergroundclouds</uri>
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			<updated>2010-07-23T16:54:13Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/31788/#p31788</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: new netlabel ?]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/31761/#p31761"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>e.s.c. wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>ok, well what i mean is this leaves out things you can do with the real hardware even (for example, intentionally making LSDJ choke on tables, since youd probably need it to be played back on the same model you wrote on to achieve the same sound due to different processor speeds and a GB emulator would play that back fine as it has access to way more power)...<br />plus youre drastically limiting how experimental people can be with this...but, go for it i guess?<br />sorry im a bit grumpy, just the comment about 23,000+ netlabels on archive.org rubbed me the wrong way, you know? <br />i mean, how can anyone be &quot;worried&quot; about a netlabel on archive.org anyway? ..i mean, i host pretty much all my releases myself, and have for years</p></blockquote></div><p>Well, I really thought you&#039;re worried that there are no other noise-related or focused netlabels, that&#039;s why I checked archive.org. Yes, some or many hardware-related things would be excluded, I know, that bothered (and still bothers) me, but to focus something I must leave some things out, there are no other possibilities. Also, like in your LSDJ-example you mentioned I would imagine that for instance BGB would make things quite same way as real hardware, it seems quite accurate and &#039;picky&#039;, I always check my GB programs first with it (written with GBDK or GBASM or TASM or GBBASIC), in exactly 100% of cases if BGB do not play, then it doesn&#039;t work in real hardware, and if it works in BGB, then it works in real hardware too. That&#039;s of course only with my own stuff, other people might have different experiences. </p><p>-p</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[pXtR]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/pXtR</uri>
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			<updated>2010-07-23T13:10:02Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/31761/#p31761</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: new netlabel ?]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/31759/#p31759"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Here are three examples of NES stuff I just did, pure NES programs written and compiled with NESASM, each file is 16 KB, no graphics or anything, just music:</p><p><a href="ftp://ftp.untergrund.net/users/pxtr/netlabel/nesex1.nes" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.untergrund.net/users/pxtr/netlabel/nesex1.nes</a><br /><a href="ftp://ftp.untergrund.net/users/pxtr/netlabel/nesex2.nes" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.untergrund.net/users/pxtr/netlabel/nesex2.nes</a><br /><a href="ftp://ftp.untergrund.net/users/pxtr/netlabel/nesex3.nes" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.untergrund.net/users/pxtr/netlabel/nesex3.nes</a></p><p>All pieces are made same way, I write stuff to NES&#039;s APU (Audio Processing Unit) registers, in these examples only to Square1 ($4000-$4003) and noise channel ($400C-$400F, VBlanks are used for timing. Very simple but still there are endless amount of possibilites for these. Play with any NES-emulator, I use FCEU. I also use these kind of examples as raw material for VST&#039;s, reverbs, delays but that&#039;s different thing, I just want these registers dumped to some playable format, nothing else, there are a lot of netlabels who like to work with MP3/OGG/WAV/VST&#039;s, this netlabel will focus to noisy experimental raw 8-bit or less material.</p><p>Hope this helps !</p><p>-p</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[pXtR]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/pXtR</uri>
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			<updated>2010-07-23T12:49:40Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/31759/#p31759</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: new netlabel ?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>ok, well what i mean is this leaves out things you can do with the real hardware even (for example, intentionally making LSDJ choke on tables, since youd probably need it to be played back on the same model you wrote on to achieve the same sound due to different processor speeds and a GB emulator would play that back fine as it has access to way more power)...<br />plus youre drastically limiting how experimental people can be with this...but, go for it i guess?<br />sorry im a bit grumpy, just the comment about 23,000+ netlabels on archive.org rubbed me the wrong way, you know? <br />i mean, how can anyone be &quot;worried&quot; about a netlabel on archive.org anyway? ..i mean, i host pretty much all my releases myself, and have for years</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[e.s.c.]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/e.s.c.</uri>
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			<updated>2010-07-23T12:39:30Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/31758/#p31758</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: new netlabel ?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>e.s.c. wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>guys, its not like i cant get on netlabels, im just saying i find it disappointing is all...you are making a label for chipnoise (though your definition wouldnt match mine quite) and to be honest, most of the noisier artists in the chip scene tend to be a little more experimental in their methods beyond one single tracker (like baseck, 8cylinder, sil req, etc)<br />its that moment where i thought this may result in a netlabel for me to be a little more interested in, that i became less and less interested as i read your post, concluding with the realization that while i get referred to a being noise on a regular basis, not a single thing ive done would qualify under your label</p></blockquote></div><p>e.s.c: Sorry if you&#039;re disappointed, anyway I might explained something badly: no, not a single tracker, use as many you like or no trackers at all, send programs (like .nes, .sms, .gb) or send Gameboy SRAM (.sav), TAP, SNA, AY, VGM, Atari 2600 BIN-files, .XEX, .VZ, whatever as long as there is a free player (or for programs free emulator) available and the content is pure, as close to real chip as possible. There are a lot of possibilites, actually endless amount, I don&#039;t know what&#039;s the problem for chip composer to make chip music using chip music tools. Only thing I don&#039;t want is ready-made MP3/WAV/OGG-formats, I want pure stuff, as noisy and experimental as possible. If 8cylinder would like to send something he would probably write a Gameboy programs and send .GB-files, or use some of his software like Sludgeon 2, do stuff and send saved slots for me. Pure 8-bit stuff, no VST-effects, only effects allowed are what chip of your choice allows. And whatever chip you choose to work, they ALL allow endless amount of possibilities. </p><p>-p</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[pXtR]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/pXtR</uri>
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			<updated>2010-07-23T12:15:28Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: new netlabel ?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>guys, its not like i cant get on netlabels, im just saying i find it disappointing is all...you are making a label for chipnoise (though your definition wouldnt match mine quite) and to be honest, most of the noisier artists in the chip scene tend to be a little more experimental in their methods beyond one single tracker (like baseck, 8cylinder, sil req, etc)<br />its that moment where i thought this may result in a netlabel for me to be a little more interested in, that i became less and less interested as i read your post, concluding with the realization that while i get referred to a being noise on a regular basis, not a single thing ive done would qualify under your label</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[e.s.c.]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/e.s.c.</uri>
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			<updated>2010-07-23T11:57:50Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: new netlabel ?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>jikoo wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Happy to see your new netlabel pXtr ! <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/heart.gif" width="15" height="15" alt="heart" /><br /><a href="http://pxtr.untergrund.net/8it/" target="_blank">http://pxtr.untergrund.net/8it/</a></p></blockquote></div><p>Thanks jikoo, you helped with this with your comment earlier in 8bc, the site address (and layout etc) will change soon, this is a temporarily place, just a start. &quot;Official&quot; announcement will be posted soon !</p><p>-p</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[pXtR]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/pXtR</uri>
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			<updated>2010-07-23T11:25:34Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Zan-zan-zawa-butt wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I like your idea, man, and I hope it makes you happy and zat you get to release a lot of good stuff. a lot of the criticism and discouragement you&#039;re getting sounds like it&#039;s coming directly from ze same sort of people who are swayed by PR.</p><p>just sorry I don&#039;t make music in ze style you&#039;re interested in</p></blockquote></div><p>Thanks Zan-Zan, I&#039;m not worried of criticism, I was sure beforehand that this might be an issue, all is well, stuff is coming, the site will change to another place, hopefully soon, then official announcement and off we go !</p><p>-p</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[pXtR]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/pXtR</uri>
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			<updated>2010-07-23T11:23:05Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: new netlabel ?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Happy to see your new netlabel pXtr ! <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/heart.gif" width="15" height="15" alt="heart" /><br /><a href="http://8it.shiftwave.org/" target="_blank">http://8it.shiftwave.org/</a> &lt;updated&gt;</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jikoo]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/jikoo</uri>
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			<updated>2010-07-23T11:10:39Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/31745/#p31745</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: new netlabel ?]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/31744/#p31744"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I like your idea, man, and I hope it makes you happy and zat you get to release a lot of good stuff. a lot of the criticism and discouragement you&#039;re getting sounds like it&#039;s coming directly from ze same sort of people who are swayed by PR.</p><p>just sorry I don&#039;t make music in ze style you&#039;re interested in</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Zan-zan-zawa-butt]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Zan-zan-zawa-butt</uri>
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			<updated>2010-07-23T11:08:40Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: new netlabel ?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>ant1 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Almost all chip formats can be played back by xmplay with enough plugins, and I&#039;d expect the chipheads around here to already have players for a lot of formats.</p></blockquote></div><p>Exactly, a lot of formats will be available in xmplay, I&#039;m surprised if people really don&#039;t have players for basic chip music formats, really. Thanks ant1 helping with this (also, fishwhiskers is precisely kind of material I&#039;m looking for....).</p><p>-p</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[pXtR]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/pXtR</uri>
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			<updated>2010-07-23T06:51:47Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>godinpants wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I think you should up your size limit to 1.4mb and release everything on floppy disc.</p></blockquote></div><p>No, that was different project where I made a portable Linux containing kernel (2.4.19 or was it .18),&nbsp; with tiny X, ratpoison, busybox, mutt and about 60 programs, by using UPX (Ultimate Packer) I was able to fit everything to a one diskette. Otherwise not bad idea but I&#039;m only focusing here to open source/freeware/non-commercial-kind of thinking, everything should be free, that excludes &quot;hard media&quot; where someone need to buy something. </p><br /><p>-p</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[pXtR]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/pXtR</uri>
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			<updated>2010-07-23T06:44:11Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>celsius wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Would love to see your download statistics in a month. I want to know how many people can actually be fucked either loading or installing a tracker to play back your offerings. I&#039;m guessing very few but I&#039;d like to be pleasantly surprised. Good luck!</p></blockquote></div><p>Thanks celsius, however I won&#039;t probably much follow the statistics, I&#039;m only interested of music/noise, not much anything else. But never know what happens !</p><p>-p</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[pXtR]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/pXtR</uri>
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			<updated>2010-07-23T06:37:52Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>egr wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I&#039;m looking at this more as a &quot;back to the roots&quot; style idea.&nbsp; Trading modules, learning about software, keeping the file sizes tiny to simulate low bandwidth connections... but with a focus on noise.&nbsp; I dig it!&nbsp; Not that I knew anything about computer music back when those things were going on.</p></blockquote></div><p>Exactly, you got the point: back to roots, trading, recycling ideas, tiny file sizes, focusing mainly on noise AND experimental stuff. I&#039;m 49, I was there although the idea for this comes another direction,&nbsp; especially one of my poetry publishing where I severely limited the size of the books to exactly 8 pages. But you&#039;re right, this is a bit different, it is &quot;back to the roots&quot; idea. </p><p>-p</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[pXtR]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/pXtR</uri>
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			<updated>2010-07-23T06:27:38Z</updated>
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