Do people not understand what i mean by synthesis?
it has nothign to do with song structure or ability to write music.

it's the technical side of things.. ability to create unique and interesting sounds.
attention to detail in the sound structure, not song structure.

Luckily i like ovenrake's and nullsleep's song structures too on the stated subject matter.

I realize you're not expressing a preference, but this is really close to an ongoing argument I have with a Frank Zappa obsessed buddy.  My side boils down to "I'd rather hear an interesting song than a well written one."  To me, there's a lot of fantastic chip compositions that just have no character (sound wise) and that's a shame.  I'm a huge blues fan and I'm always amazed at how those truly great performers were/are ALL about the details.  They can play the exact same rhythm or chords or whatever and make it completely new thru inflection alone.

it's the technical side of things.. ability to create unique and interesting sounds.
attention to detail in the sound structure, not song structure.

Luckily i like ovenrake's and nullsleep's song structures too on the stated subject matter.

DaPantz wrote:

Actually, I'd say that's what MOST people do, and it's a shame in my opinion. It's why there are tons of technically proficient and "good" chipmusic out there with absolutely no personality...sometimes sound design isn't pushed hard enough. I like to see the perfect marriage of both, which is what I've seen from Nullsleep, Bit Shifter, Zen Albatross, exileFaker, glomag, a few more.

Personality comes from sound design?

Yeah, it's harder to imitate a song that has unique synthesis... you'll be struggling to figure out how they got that particular "sound."

Perhaps I just bristle at the term after hearing guys like Burial/Deadmau5/Justice/Daft Punk/SebastiAn be referred to as geniuses by stoned/otherwise impressionable teenagers, when they simply make feelgood music.

wow, i feel trolled. how the fuck did u put burial in the same category as those guys? he definitely does not just make 'feelgood' music.
but whatever, maybe i just put him on too high a pedestal.
also, in a lot of cases, i find myself liking an 8bit artist not because of the style or genre but more because of some of unique sounds they can get out of the gameboy.. zanzan, what u mean about their songwriting capability? do u mean their attention to the verse chorus pop formula, or do u mean more like their knowledge of music theory or wha?

everyyyyyoneeee

Zan-zan-zawa-butt wrote:

am i ze only person around who doesn't notice someone's "synthesis" skills and just latches onto songwriting?

Actually, I'd say that's what MOST people do, and it's a shame in my opinion. It's why there are tons of technically proficient and "good" chipmusic out there with absolutely no personality...sometimes sound design isn't pushed hard enough. I like to see the perfect marriage of both, which is what I've seen from Nullsleep, Bit Shifter, Zen Albatross, exileFaker, glomag, a few more.

Personality comes from sound design?

I'd say the most personality-ful pieces of piano music aren't the ones for prepared piano, and the vast majority guitar/saxophone/organ/etc music just relies on the sound of the instruments. Does that mean it has no personality? I think the complete opposite is true really - anyone can make a gameboy say BLARGLEBLARGLEBLARGLE!

anyway, stupid shit. let's get back to loving great musicians?