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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: PAL A1200 in NTSC-land]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Awol wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Yeah I was using an RGB/VGA adapter on the Amiga.</p></blockquote></div><p>Which will only work in PRODUCTIVITY MODE or, with luck, Euro72.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[akira^8GB]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/akira%5E8GB</uri>
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			<updated>2010-10-08T02:57:05Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: PAL A1200 in NTSC-land]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/41991/#p41991"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Oh by &quot;its VGA port&quot; I meant &quot;the TVs VGA port&quot;. Yeah I was using an RGB/VGA adapter on the Amiga.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Awol]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Awol</uri>
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			<updated>2010-10-08T02:56:14Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: PAL A1200 in NTSC-land]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/41989/#p41989"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The amiga doesn&#039;t have a &quot;VGA port&quot;, what are you doing? Or you mean the RGB port?<br />Or if you have an adapter for 23 pin Amiga RGB to VGA, you NEED special modes ON WORKBENCH ONLY (nothing else) for it to work.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[akira^8GB]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/akira%5E8GB</uri>
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			<updated>2010-10-08T02:48:44Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: PAL A1200 in NTSC-land]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/41981/#p41981"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Fixed my TV, but the Amiga won&#039;t work on its VGA port. Guess I will need a converter.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Awol]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Awol</uri>
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			<updated>2010-10-08T01:30:08Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: PAL A1200 in NTSC-land]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/39661/#p39661"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>poke-1,170 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>you can change to 60 hertz during bootup<br />by pressing both mousebuttons.<br />dunno how useful it is though</p></blockquote></div><p>It hasn&#039;t done anything useful for me. <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/hmm.png" width="15" height="15" alt="hmm" /></p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Awol]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Awol</uri>
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			<updated>2010-09-19T04:42:11Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: PAL A1200 in NTSC-land]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>you can change to 60 hertz during bootup<br />by pressing both mousebuttons.<br />dunno how useful it is though</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[poke-1,170]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/poke-1%2C170</uri>
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			<updated>2010-09-19T03:20:21Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: PAL A1200 in NTSC-land]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/39620/#p39620"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Awol wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Analog wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>is the easycap thing that you&#039;re using? it work semi-great with my atari.</p></blockquote></div><p>Yup!</p><br /><div class="quotebox"><cite>arfink wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>As for that adapter which you linked- I have one which uses that same Analog Devices chip (AD724). It works just fine with just about everything, the only time it doesn&#039;t in when the RGBS has a slightly odd sync signal which is basically just a few almost-jamma-compatible arcade boards. The color bitrate is just fine, so don&#039;t worry about loosing colors. The only issue is that obviously you will loose some image clarity by converting from RGB to composite. S-Video will be quite a bit better.</p></blockquote></div><p>There&#039;s also an RGB&gt;S-Video converter on that page. The guy who sells them recommends getting both and hooking it up like this: RGB&gt;S-video&gt;VGA, so you basically get S-Video quality in NTSC on a VGA port. There are some pics of someone using them both together in <a href="http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=50252" target="_blank">this</a> thread on EAB.</p><br /><p>I picked up my Amiga while I was in England because it was cheaper than buying one over here, but since I&#039;ve got to buy video adapters anyway, I&#039;m wondering if it was worth it. <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/tongue.png" width="15" height="15" alt="tongue" /></p></blockquote></div><p>I was just gonna suggest that thread as proof that the colors don&#039;t drop out. And yeah, RGB to SVIDEO to VGA is pretty good.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[arfink]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/arfink</uri>
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			<updated>2010-09-19T00:43:51Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: PAL A1200 in NTSC-land]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/39619/#p39619"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Analog wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>is the easycap thing that you&#039;re using? it work semi-great with my atari.</p></blockquote></div><p>Yup!</p><br /><div class="quotebox"><cite>arfink wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>As for that adapter which you linked- I have one which uses that same Analog Devices chip (AD724). It works just fine with just about everything, the only time it doesn&#039;t in when the RGBS has a slightly odd sync signal which is basically just a few almost-jamma-compatible arcade boards. The color bitrate is just fine, so don&#039;t worry about loosing colors. The only issue is that obviously you will loose some image clarity by converting from RGB to composite. S-Video will be quite a bit better.</p></blockquote></div><p>There&#039;s also an RGB&gt;S-Video converter on that page. The guy who sells them recommends getting both and hooking it up like this: RGB&gt;S-video&gt;VGA, so you basically get S-Video quality in NTSC on a VGA port. There are some pics of someone using them both together in <a href="http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=50252" target="_blank">this</a> thread on EAB.</p><br /><p>I picked up my Amiga while I was in England because it was cheaper than buying one over here, but since I&#039;ve got to buy video adapters anyway, I&#039;m wondering if it was worth it. <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/tongue.png" width="15" height="15" alt="tongue" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Awol]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Awol</uri>
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			<updated>2010-09-19T00:37:59Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: PAL A1200 in NTSC-land]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/39617/#p39617"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>akira^8GB wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Awol wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I don&#039;t have high hopes for that working with my Amiga.</p></blockquote></div><p>You&#039;d be surprised, actually.<br />Seems like most LCD TVs, since they have to do 15Khz anyway for television, acccept 15Khz inputs on the VGA port too.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>(basically a super cheap scandoubler) will be cheaper and more convenient than buying a new TV.</p></blockquote></div><p>What&#039;s the rule usually? cheap is not good.<br />Those scandoublers are of bad quality and many times they don&#039;t even have the necessary bit depth to display all of the A1200 colors. Becareful with them, don&#039;t expect them to be superb.</p></blockquote></div><p>Well, I have a little experience with RGB hookup with this so here goes:</p><p>Firstly, your TV might accept 15khz but I have yet to run across one in the US where it does. I think the problem is NTSC TVs generally don&#039;t have SCART connectors so there is no reason to make the VGA input accept 15khz. It&#039;s surprising how often electronics manufacturers don&#039;t include seemingly obvious features. Still, no reason not to try it. </p><p>As for that adapter which you linked- I have one which uses that same Analog Devices chip (AD724). It works just fine with just about everything, the only time it doesn&#039;t in when the RGBS has a slightly odd sync signal which is basically just a few almost-jamma-compatible arcade boards. The color bitrate is just fine, so don&#039;t worry about loosing colors. The only issue is that obviously you will loose some image clarity by converting from RGB to composite. S-Video will be quite a bit better.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[arfink]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/arfink</uri>
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			<updated>2010-09-19T00:20:42Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: PAL A1200 in NTSC-land]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/39615/#p39615"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>is the easycap thing that you&#039;re using? it work semi-great with my atari.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Analog]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Analog</uri>
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			<updated>2010-09-18T23:50:30Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: PAL A1200 in NTSC-land]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/39607/#p39607"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Awol wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I don&#039;t have high hopes for that working with my Amiga.</p></blockquote></div><p>You&#039;d be surprised, actually.<br />Seems like most LCD TVs, since they have to do 15Khz anyway for television, acccept 15Khz inputs on the VGA port too.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>(basically a super cheap scandoubler) will be cheaper and more convenient than buying a new TV.</p></blockquote></div><p>What&#039;s the rule usually? cheap is not good.<br />Those scandoublers are of bad quality and many times they don&#039;t even have the necessary bit depth to display all of the A1200 colors. Becareful with them, don&#039;t expect them to be superb.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[akira^8GB]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/akira%5E8GB</uri>
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			<updated>2010-09-18T22:29:35Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: PAL A1200 in NTSC-land]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/39573/#p39573"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>akira^8GB wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Awol wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>What&#039;s the cheapest way for me to get my Amiga working with TVs over here?</p></blockquote></div><p>Get an LCD TV that accepts 15Khz on the VGA port. Does your LCD TV have a VGA input? If so, try it.</p></blockquote></div><p>The TV that I tried it on wasn&#039;t actually mine, and it did not have a VGA input. I do have an LCD TV with a VGA input, but it&#039;s broken at the moment (failed resistor on the power supply, should be easy to fix). However, I don&#039;t have high hopes for that working with my Amiga. I&#039;ll try it after I fix my TV. But if it doesn&#039;t work, then buying that VGA converter I linked to in my first post (basically a super cheap scandoubler) will be cheaper and more convenient than buying a new TV.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Awol]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Awol</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2010-09-18T16:12:58Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: PAL A1200 in NTSC-land]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Awol wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I tried booting it in NTSC mode with an LCD TV through composite (picture was monochrome and too big for the screen)</p></blockquote></div><p>Your LCD TV Does not support 50Hz modes and/or PAL, evidently.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>and an old PC monitor through an RGB/VGA adapter (no picture, just some kind of error message or warning about incompatibility from the monitor)</p></blockquote></div><p>Teh amiga tuns at 15Khz in regular modes, which most PC monitors do not accept. You need to get a scandoubler or use the Amiga in a Productivity (30Khz scan rate) mode, which is only limited to Workbench and certain apps.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>What&#039;s the cheapest way for me to get my Amiga working with TVs over here?</p></blockquote></div><p>Get an LCD TV that accepts 15Khz on the VGA port. Does your LCD TV have a VGA input? If so, try it.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[akira^8GB]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/akira%5E8GB</uri>
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			<updated>2010-09-18T16:05:29Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[PAL A1200 in NTSC-land]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve got a British 1200, but I&#039;m in America. I tried booting it in NTSC mode with an LCD TV through composite (picture was monochrome and too big for the screen) and an old PC monitor through an RGB/VGA adapter (no picture, just some kind of error message or warning about incompatibility from the monitor). What&#039;s NTSC mode supposed to <em>do</em> then? Right now I&#039;m using my laptop as a screen for the Amiga via a low-quality USB composite video capture device. I think it&#039;ll work for tracking and module-listening, but will probably be too laggy for demos or games. What&#039;s the cheapest way for me to get my Amiga working with TVs over here? (Or Atari/Commodore/PC monitors, but preferably TVs). The cheapest thing I&#039;ve found is the VGA converter on <a href="http://amigamaniac.com/RGB_to_PAL_NTSC_adapter.html" target="_blank">this</a> page.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Awol]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Awol</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2010-09-18T04:37:38Z</updated>
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