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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Catskull YM2149 Synth. YM2149 or AY-3?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>unexpectedbowtie wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>catskull wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just connect via usb, it doesn&#039;t work over DIN AFAIK. I&#039;ve heard web midi on windows is a little tricky and doesn&#039;t work, one user reported having to use their android phone to do it. Not totally sure!</p></blockquote></div><p>Oh, duh. I should have realised. I didn&#039;t realise it was both USB and DIN - I assumed it was one or the other. Thanks. I&#039;ll give it a bash!</p></blockquote></div><p>Noting for anybody else that comes across this: I suspect the issue with it not being detected originally was that I had both DIN and USB connected at once. If I connect up just via USB it detects fine. Either way, got it working now!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[unexpectedbowtie]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/unexpectedbowtie</uri>
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			<updated>2020-12-21T01:16:30Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Catskull YM2149 Synth. YM2149 or AY-3?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>catskull wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just connect via usb, it doesn&#039;t work over DIN AFAIK. I&#039;ve heard web midi on windows is a little tricky and doesn&#039;t work, one user reported having to use their android phone to do it. Not totally sure!</p></blockquote></div><p>Oh, duh. I should have realised. I didn&#039;t realise it was both USB and DIN - I assumed it was one or the other. Thanks. I&#039;ll give it a bash!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[unexpectedbowtie]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/unexpectedbowtie</uri>
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			<updated>2020-12-20T16:08:09Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Catskull YM2149 Synth. YM2149 or AY-3?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Just connect via usb, it doesn&#039;t work over DIN AFAIK. I&#039;ve heard web midi on windows is a little tricky and doesn&#039;t work, one user reported having to use their android phone to do it. Not totally sure!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[catskull]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/catskull</uri>
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			<updated>2020-12-19T23:45:45Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/264603/#p264603</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Catskull YM2149 Synth. YM2149 or AY-3?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>catskull wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Web editor is compatible, the new version added DIN but still has USB MIDI <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p></blockquote></div><p>Ohhh that&#039;s awesome, thank you! What&#039;s the best config for that? I&#039;ve tried it connected via different interfaces but it isn&#039;t detected (using Chrome).</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[unexpectedbowtie]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/unexpectedbowtie</uri>
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			<updated>2020-12-19T20:06:24Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Catskull YM2149 Synth. YM2149 or AY-3?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Web editor is compatible, the new version added DIN but still has USB MIDI <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[catskull]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/catskull</uri>
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			<updated>2020-12-19T17:59:51Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/264601/#p264601</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Catskull YM2149 Synth. YM2149 or AY-3?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[herr_prof]]></name>
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			<updated>2020-12-19T15:03:43Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Catskull YM2149 Synth. YM2149 or AY-3?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>catskull wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Sorry I missed this, but glad you got it figured out! I&#039;m a bad person to ask but if you were to blindfold me, I would not be able to tell the difference between the AY or the YM. I&#039;m sure purists out there that have spent a lot of time with the chips will tell me I&#039;m wrong, which is fine!</p><p>Also trash80 designed and coded the whole thing, not me! Thanks to him! SID synths aren&#039;t as interesting to me, just because the chips are hard to come by. I guess now that there are implementations of it in FPGA and microcontrollers, maybe that would be worth checking out? For YM2612, I guess genMDM gets pretty far there, especially with Jamatar&#039;s genaJam that I&#039;ll be releasing soon.</p></blockquote></div><p>Heya. I have another question... I presume the Web Editor isn&#039;t compatible with the new version, since it&#039;s MIDI DIN, rather than USB MIDI. Is that right?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[unexpectedbowtie]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/unexpectedbowtie</uri>
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			<updated>2020-12-19T04:17:00Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Catskull YM2149 Synth. YM2149 or AY-3?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>It is little bit offtopic, but this Jamatar performance is outstanding! I am now doing some things on Kurzweil Forte in fm synthesis mode, i mapped every parameter to sliders and knobs, power of fm is incredible.</p><p><a href="https://youtu.be/_nLA5kXui2M" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/_nLA5kXui2M</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[martin_demsky]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/martin_demsky</uri>
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			<updated>2020-11-20T13:49:38Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Catskull YM2149 Synth. YM2149 or AY-3?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>catskull wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Sorry I missed this, but glad you got it figured out! I&#039;m a bad person to ask but if you were to blindfold me, I would not be able to tell the difference between the AY or the YM. I&#039;m sure purists out there that have spent a lot of time with the chips will tell me I&#039;m wrong, which is fine!</p><p>Also trash80 designed and coded the whole thing, not me! Thanks to him! SID synths aren&#039;t as interesting to me, just because the chips are hard to come by. I guess now that there are implementations of it in FPGA and microcontrollers, maybe that would be worth checking out? For YM2612, I guess genMDM gets pretty far there, especially with Jamatar&#039;s genaJam that I&#039;ll be releasing soon.</p></blockquote></div><p>I guess I could have just asked you directly hah. Thanks! I&#039;ll keep an eye out on the genaJam...</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[unexpectedbowtie]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/unexpectedbowtie</uri>
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			<updated>2020-11-18T11:04:26Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Catskull YM2149 Synth. YM2149 or AY-3?]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/264433/#p264433"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I missed this, but glad you got it figured out! I&#039;m a bad person to ask but if you were to blindfold me, I would not be able to tell the difference between the AY or the YM. I&#039;m sure purists out there that have spent a lot of time with the chips will tell me I&#039;m wrong, which is fine!</p><p>Also trash80 designed and coded the whole thing, not me! Thanks to him! SID synths aren&#039;t as interesting to me, just because the chips are hard to come by. I guess now that there are implementations of it in FPGA and microcontrollers, maybe that would be worth checking out? For YM2612, I guess genMDM gets pretty far there, especially with Jamatar&#039;s genaJam that I&#039;ll be releasing soon.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[catskull]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/catskull</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2020-11-18T03:04:35Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Catskull YM2149 Synth. YM2149 or AY-3?]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/264430/#p264430"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hey Bowtie, don&#039;t thank to me, i only googled <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> BTW that device is interesting because it is small, if catskull develope something like this with SID chip, or with YM2612, i am in!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[martin_demsky]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/martin_demsky</uri>
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			<updated>2020-11-17T19:07:55Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Catskull YM2149 Synth. YM2149 or AY-3?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! I went for the the YM in the end <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[unexpectedbowtie]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/unexpectedbowtie</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2020-11-17T10:00:51Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/264424/#p264424</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Catskull YM2149 Synth. YM2149 or AY-3?]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/264423/#p264423"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>YM chip envelope have 5-bit volume, so it is not only 16 levels like in AY, but 32. Register accepts only 4-bit value, but maybe dynamics are that one bit better. Yamaha always make something better <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>I don&#039;t know if it is YM panned harder, on AY chip is output for every channel, i use ACB stereo out (a is left, c in both, b is right).</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[martin_demsky]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/martin_demsky</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2020-11-17T05:26:48Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Catskull YM2149 Synth. YM2149 or AY-3?]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/264419/#p264419"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link! The sound comparison is useful. Looks like the YM would be the better option. The AY does sound a bit better on that particular comparison... but it seems like that&#039;s down more to mixing, as the YM seems panned harder? Not sure. Either way the difference seems minimal enough that I just need to make a call. Thank you!</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[unexpectedbowtie]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/unexpectedbowtie</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2020-11-16T22:01:36Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Catskull YM2149 Synth. YM2149 or AY-3?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Probably not, it is 99% same, in Vortex Tracker 2.5 when i change tune from AY to YM, there is not audible change. It is maybe matter of personal preference, if you love more Atari, then buy YM version <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p><a href="https://imgur.com/a/PezUP1E" target="_blank">https://imgur.com/a/PezUP1E</a></p><p>Edit: here is good article between differences<br /><a href="https://maidavale.org/blog/ay-ym-differences/" target="_blank">https://maidavale.org/blog/ay-ym-differences/</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[martin_demsky]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/martin_demsky</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2020-11-16T20:46:12Z</updated>
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