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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: C64 custom cartridge suggestions?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>akira^8GB wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Cybertracker is shit, I would advise against using it, it&#039;s a waste of time.<br />You could also try Johnplayer or Ninjatracker to begin with.</p></blockquote></div><p>will keep in mind! thanx! also what do you use?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[wedanced]]></name>
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			<updated>2011-01-26T14:49:49Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: C64 custom cartridge suggestions?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>John Player would easily fit a 16k cartridge, but you&#039;d still need a disk drive to save, I think. Could be nice to boot up straight into a tracker, though <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p><p>I don&#039;t know exactly how Ocean cartridges work, but they probably use some mapper circuitry so that you can swap out a bank of ROM for another by using a register on the cart. If anyone can find any details of how exactly they work, I might look into it, but building a custom Ocean cart will be harder since you&#039;d have to recreate whatever mapper circuit it uses.</p><p>For EasyFlash, there&#039;s already <a href="http://skoe.de/easyflash/index.php?page=draco-cart-maker-en" target="_blank">Draco Cart Maker</a>! <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[boomlinde]]></name>
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			<updated>2011-01-26T01:33:19Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: C64 custom cartridge suggestions?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>By the way, the EasyFlash page mentions the Ocean cartridges as carts that exceed the 16K limit. How did these work and what is the limit? They also have a version of The Last Ninja patched for EasyFlash that weighs 512KB. This could lead to nice multitracker cartridges i&#039;d be interested in!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[akira^8GB]]></name>
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			<updated>2011-01-25T13:12:13Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: C64 custom cartridge suggestions?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>wedanced wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>So I am Assuming getting A cart with cybertracker is not likely?</p></blockquote></div><p>I don&#039;t think so, it would still read preferences from disk. And it&#039;s bigger than 16KB.<br />In any case, Cybertracker is shit, I would advise against using it, it&#039;s a waste of time. Having all envelopes and shit displayed visually IS nice and helpful for n00bs, but the software has an engine that remains pretty damn useless nonetheless. It&#039;s better if you just do it the hard way and jump straight into a more advanced tracker.</p><p>You could also try Johnplayer or Ninjatracker to begin with.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[akira^8GB]]></name>
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			<updated>2011-01-25T13:03:02Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: C64 custom cartridge suggestions?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>So I am Assuming getting A cart with cybertracker is not likely?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[wedanced]]></name>
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			<updated>2011-01-25T01:18:47Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>If you find a bunch of PRG programs and they all amount to less than 8k, send them to me an I&#039;ll try to whip up a multicart for you. It&#039;s not trivial but it can be done, and I&#039;d like to give it a try!</p><p>EDIT: Could probably do 16k, too!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[boomlinde]]></name>
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			<updated>2011-01-25T01:03:01Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: C64 custom cartridge suggestions?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>goonzy wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Not sure about it but I think that PRG on roms for 64 are very limited in size ((like on Atari 8 Bit) and must be 1 part. Not sure about the max size thoough but it could be something like 8 or 16K (I remember that the Cart games were much simpler than their Floppy versions ).</p></blockquote></div><p>That&#039;s exactly the problem. Afaik most C64 game cartridges were 8 or 16K...</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>goonzy wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>You&#039;re planning to use something like <a href="http://skoe.de/easyflash/??" target="_blank">http://skoe.de/easyflash/??</a></p></blockquote></div><p>Nope, I&#039;m going to burn my own EPROMS and solder them on custom cartridge PCBs.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Flopps wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If you need someone to burn some EPROM&#039;s and/or assemble a cart then send me a PM!</p></blockquote></div><p>Thank you for your offer, I actually have already sorted out this but if I ever need some EPROM help again I&#039;l contact you.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[ashimoke]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-11-30T09:51:07Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>If you need someone to burn some EPROM&#039;s and/or assemble a cart then send me a PM!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Flopps]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-11-30T09:06:39Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Not sure about it but I think that PRG on roms for 64 are very limited in size ((like on Atari 8 Bit) and must be 1 part. Not sure about the max size thoough but it could be something like 8 or 16K (I remember that the Cart games were much simpler than their Floppy versions ).</p><p>You&#039;re planning to use something like <a href="http://skoe.de/easyflash/??" target="_blank">http://skoe.de/easyflash/??</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[goonzy]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-11-30T08:43:43Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[C64 custom cartridge suggestions?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hi!<br />I&#039;m going to have some custom cartridges done for my recently purchased C64g and I wonder what music programs should I burn?<br />I am mainly looking for synth / keyboard / live tweaking kind of stuff since I won&#039;t have any possible way of midi sync. But every suggestion/experience is good. I am asking because emulation is not always good reference and i don&#039;t even know many music prgs for C64... <br />I am buying the piano overlay so probably something that would work with it.<br />Thanks!</p><p>edit: forgot to say: yes, I know about Cynthcart and I am gonna have it. I am just looking for some more.</p><br /><p>edit2: Well, 4mat just pointed out on my similar thread on 8bc that only cartridge-ready programs could be written to cartridges. I haven&#039;t heard of any C64 cartridge-based music software other then cynthcart so I&#039;m afraid this might be the end of discussion <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/sad.png" width="15" height="15" alt="sad" /></p><p>Or am I wrong?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[ashimoke]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-11-29T14:27:47Z</updated>
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