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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: what makes a musician a musician]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Everyone is an artist</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Reteris]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-12-11T00:33:21Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: what makes a musician a musician]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>undergroundclouds wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>herr_prof wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Making small talk with drug dealers is one of the unfortunate perils of prohibition.</p></blockquote></div><p>LOL!</p></blockquote></div><p>Tool fundies always ruin a good conversation about music.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Cartoon Bomb]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-12-11T00:13:04Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: what makes a musician a musician]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>herr_prof wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Jellica wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I like having conversions with people who beleive that bands like Tool or System of a Down are the only real musics.</p></blockquote></div><p>Making small talk with drug dealers is one of the unfortunate perils of prohibition.</p></blockquote></div><p>LOL!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[undergroundclouds]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/undergroundclouds</uri>
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			<updated>2010-12-10T22:35:28Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: what makes a musician a musician]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>BR1GHT PR1MATE wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>are fictitious musicians &#039;musicians&#039;? or are their creators &#039;musicians&#039; by proxy, despite not being musicians?</p></blockquote></div><p>That&#039;s called Gorillaz, or The Archies.<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>BR1GHT PR1MATE wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>how about ducks?</p></blockquote></div><p>That&#039;s called acid.<br /></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>4mat wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>this Leslie cabinet has wheels...</p></blockquote></div><p>Yes, it is a vehicle if you sit on top of it while it rolls downhill.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[chunter]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/chunter</uri>
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			<updated>2010-12-10T21:23:38Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: what makes a musician a musician]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I CAN&#039;T BELIEVE U R DOUBTING DREAM THEARTERS MUSIC THEY ARE SO FAST I BET THEY COULD PLAY 64TH NOTES WITHOUT EVEN A PROBLEM. WHY ARE U SO GAY!!?!?!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jay Tholen]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Jay+Tholen</uri>
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			<updated>2010-12-10T15:03:49Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: what makes a musician a musician]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Jellica wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I like having conversions with people who beleive that bands like Tool or System of a Down are the only real musics.</p></blockquote></div><p>I had a sad laugh on this, because I grew up in the middle of guys like that here in Brazil in the middle 90s. </p><p>&quot;Johnny Ramone&#039;s guitar sucks&quot;, &quot;electronic music? nope, that is played by computers&quot;</p><p>and:</p><p>&quot;Dream Theater? Now, THOSE are real musicians!&quot;</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[PULSELOOPER]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/PULSELOOPER</uri>
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			<updated>2010-12-08T12:55:30Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: what makes a musician a musician]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>are people in covers bands musicians or just puppets?</p><p>or are they laughing at us because they get lots of paid gigs?</p><p>I had a great conversation with someone who was over mine after the pub a while ago. I put on a compilation of early synth music from the 50s/60s/70s and he got so fucking angry, ranting that synths are not instuments and that it wasnt real music.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jellica]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Jellica</uri>
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			<updated>2010-12-08T12:27:25Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: what makes a musician a musician]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Anyone that uses timbres and time to make art.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;and that&nbsp; counts for any genre...... including noise.&nbsp; KADOOSH!!!!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[shitbird]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-12-08T05:38:33Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: what makes a musician a musician]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>This guy seems like a pretty competent musician.<br /><div class="embed_video"><iframe width="560" height="340" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/gugZQd4cGfA" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe></div></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[godinpants]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-12-07T20:37:22Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: what makes a musician a musician]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>this Leslie Cabinet has wheels, is it a vehicle?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[4mat]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-12-07T19:56:05Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Jellica wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I like having conversions with people who beleive that bands like Tool or System of a Down are the only real musics.</p></blockquote></div><p>Making small talk with drug dealers is one of the unfortunate perils of prohibition.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[herr_prof]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-12-07T19:55:13Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: what makes a musician a musician]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>are fictitious musicians &#039;musicians&#039;? or are their creators &#039;musicians&#039; by proxy, despite not being musicians?</p><p>what about if YOU are deaf and have never heard sound before, but play an instrument and people enjoy it, can you be a &#039;musician&#039; then?</p><p>if you have synesthesia, are painters &#039;musicians&#039; then?</p><p>people buy millions of albums of waterfall sounds and rainshowers, are they &#039;musicians&#039;?</p><p>what about people who need to pigeonhole others with nebulous semantics in order to feel better about themselves? can they be musicians too? </p><br /><p>how about ducks?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[BR1GHT PR1MATE]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/BR1GHT+PR1MATE</uri>
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			<updated>2010-12-07T19:47:23Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: what makes a musician a musician]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>dont mean to fuel the fire, but i guess it does have something to do with the debate:</p><p>what about noise musicians?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[noisewaves]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-12-07T18:57:56Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: what makes a musician a musician]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/48217/#p48217"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I think these are &quot;Musicians&quot;:</p><p><div class="embed_video"><iframe width="560" height="340" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/eHyx5XDYn_E" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe></div></p><p>I think these are just &quot;Guys in a Band&quot;:</p><p><div class="embed_video"><iframe width="560" height="340" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/gmKhtVzZI74" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe></div></p><p>The difference has nothing to do with what they use to make music with, but their apparent intention and the level of care and skill that goes into doing what they do. Musicianship transcends the fickle conventions of society and exists as a means to its own end. Being a guy in a band transcends your inability to get laid.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[PlainFlavored]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/PlainFlavored</uri>
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			<updated>2010-12-07T18:40:29Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Maybe this&#039;ll work better if we post audio with comments. I think these are musicians:</p><p>Claude Debussy<br /><div class="embed_video"><iframe width="560" height="340" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/v0CLYpYKHNY" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe></div><br />Bill Evans<br /><div class="embed_video"><iframe width="560" height="340" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/hETmWOrKcRE" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe></div><br />Elliott Smith<br /><div class="embed_video"><iframe width="560" height="340" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/jXXMKBwzHuc" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe></div><br />Greg Saunier from Deerhoof (countering the &quot;drummers aren&#039;t musicians&quot; comment)<br /><div class="embed_video"><iframe width="560" height="340" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/CEYSeygs97Q" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe></div></p><p>I don&#039;t differ composers from musicians, after all their &#039;ability&#039; is part of the compositional process. (anyone thrashing through Chopin &amp; Rachmaninov knows what I mean)</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[4mat]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/4mat</uri>
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			<updated>2010-12-07T18:20:46Z</updated>
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