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	<title type="html"><![CDATA[ChipMusic.org - Beatjazzerzzz]]></title>
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	<updated>2011-07-03T06:14:25Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Beatjazzerzzz]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>likeluke wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>exquisitely shitty.</p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[pixls]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/pixls</uri>
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			<updated>2011-07-03T06:14:25Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/72044/#p72044</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Beatjazzerzzz]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/72009/#p72009"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>yeah....i dunno. that was exquisitely shitty.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[likeluke]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/likeluke</uri>
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			<updated>2011-07-02T15:46:07Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/72009/#p72009</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Beatjazzerzzz]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/72004/#p72004"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;d rather stand there with my Gameboy making people believe that I&#039;m playing &#039;Pokemanz&#039;, than wiggle around like that. If that&#039;s the future, then fuck the future.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Spöka]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Sp%C3%B6ka</uri>
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			<updated>2011-07-02T12:10:31Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/72004/#p72004</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Beatjazzerzzz]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/72001/#p72001"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>ant1 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>if you did this with a POWER GLOVE it would be REALLY CHIPTUNE!!!!!</p></blockquote></div><p><img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/big_smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="big_smile" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[DS-10 Dominator]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/DS-10+Dominator</uri>
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			<updated>2011-07-02T10:52:51Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/72001/#p72001</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Beatjazzerzzz]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/71991/#p71991"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>if you did this with a POWER GLOVE it would be REALLY CHIPTUNE!!!!!</p><br /><p>i don&#039;t really get it but it looks about as creative as LSDJ live mode (I&#039;M NOT SAYING LSDJ MUSIC ISN&#039;T CREATIVE OKKKKKK)<br />edit: no i watched another video and he was actually playing stuff</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[ant1]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/ant1</uri>
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			<updated>2011-07-02T04:08:14Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/71991/#p71991</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Beatjazzerzzz]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/71965/#p71965"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I like this dood <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPcoM7BIDZ4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPcoM7BIDZ4</a></p><p>p.s. - too lazy to embed.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Fraktal Face]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Fraktal+Face</uri>
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			<updated>2011-07-02T00:08:55Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/71965/#p71965</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Beatjazzerzzz]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/71962/#p71962"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p><div class="embed_video"><iframe width="560" height="340" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Qi4jUmXjwlA" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe></div></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[4mat]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/4mat</uri>
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			<updated>2011-07-01T22:58:50Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/71962/#p71962</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Beatjazzerzzz]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>This has reminded me of a guy I saw at glade festival a few weeks ago, He was dressed as a spaceman and all his instruments were made by himself, the main one being some kind of lever on his chest that controlled the pitch of a synth.&nbsp; I spent ages stood watching him.</p><p><div class="embed_video"><iframe width="560" height="340" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/z_yphQk4N5U" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe></div></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[poisoncut]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/poisoncut</uri>
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			<updated>2011-07-01T22:27:52Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/71956/#p71956</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Beatjazzerzzz]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/71950/#p71950"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>At least he is experimenting with new ways of improvising and live expression, something definitely missing in chiptune.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[DS-10 Dominator]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/DS-10+Dominator</uri>
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			<updated>2011-07-01T20:55:01Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/71950/#p71950</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Beatjazzerzzz]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/70940/#p70940"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve seen the performance of Suguru Goto 3 years ago in the Mapping Festival, he basically has been investigating in this kind of interfacing for years and my main problem with it was exactly that I couldn&#039;t tie, at many times, the body movements to the sound. In Suguru Goto&#039;s case, he makes contemporary dancers perform, covered in his custom built controller suits. It also did not help that the audio was actually more like a wall of noise. Some parts worked better than others, but in general I had this issue of thinking that he could have been triggering the noise himself from his computer in coordination with the dancers instead of the dancers actually triggering the sound with their movements. The show was pretty awesome tough and the suits have this Ghost in the Shell-esque vibe to them which makes them cool.</p><p><a href="http://suguru.goto.free.fr/Contents/SuguruGoto-e.html" target="_blank">http://suguru.goto.free.fr/Contents/SuguruGoto-e.html</a></p><p><a class="postimg" href="http://0141712186.free.fr/Contents2/Images/BodySuitI&amp;II2/BodySuitI&amp;IILarge02.jpg" title="http://0141712186.free.fr/Contents2/Images/BodySuitI&amp;amp;II2/BodySuitI&amp;amp;IILarge02.jpg" id="forum_image_77720922"><img src="http://0141712186.free.fr/Contents2/Images/BodySuitI&amp;II2/BodySuitI&amp;IILarge02.jpg" /></a></p><p><div class="embed_video"><iframe width="560" height="340" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/iiFXX5HnVLU" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe></div></p><p>Gotta love that FM wall of noise though <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/tongue.png" width="15" height="15" alt="tongue" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[akira^8GB]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/akira%5E8GB</uri>
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			<updated>2011-06-23T14:14:58Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/70940/#p70940</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Beatjazzerzzz]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>hahah this is damn embarrassing to watch.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[an-cat-max]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/an-cat-max</uri>
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			<updated>2011-06-23T14:03:16Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/70939/#p70939</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Beatjazzerzzz]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/70935/#p70935"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>i dig the pcb tattoo he has on his arm.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>spacetownsavior wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>and it looks dumb right now but that&#039;s because we&#039;re still in the process of this exploration!</p></blockquote></div><p>i also enjoyed this quote.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[xero]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/xero</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2011-06-23T13:40:30Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/70935/#p70935</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Beatjazzerzzz]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/70895/#p70895"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I should reiterate -- I&#039;m not saying that anything that this particular dude was doing is amazing; rather, I&#039;m just excited for the kind of future music performance he represents. I totally agree with you on both points: the controllers aren&#039;t robust enough for the audience to do anything but wonder what the hell is going on when he moves his arm, and the music itself wasn&#039;t great. </p><p>the thing that gets me excited is that the interface he uses suggests a future in which the music performance is just as important as the music in a way that we haven&#039;t seen since the electronic music scene blew up. and while I agree that live loop triggering and playing with the EQ can help the audience build a relationship between the performer and his/her music, I&#039;d argue that it doesn&#039;t do enough. people generally don&#039;t know the specifics of the parameters we control when we&#039;re performing (and this isn&#039;t limited to just chipmusicians -- I love me some Nosaj Thing but I&#039;ll be damned if I know everything he&#039;s doing with that mpd32 up there), and twisting knobs and sliding faders can only go so far. a lot of people don&#039;t even know what EQ is! so that gap is still present. this is how you get people like that girl we found a while ago playing music off of her iPod and calling it original material. the skill with the interface doesn&#039;t represent a relationship to the music as much as it should (if at all) now that controllers &gt; turntables &gt; instruments.</p><p>I just keep coming back to making analogues with classical music performance when I think about this though. no one ever sees a virtuoso violin player or piano player and wonders what parameters of sound he or she is controlling -- all of that is laid out, and the only job we have is to wonder how the fuck anyone gets that good on an instrument. if you give someone like a ballet dancer a system like this but it&#039;s super advanced and robust (definitely not featured in this video), you create an experience in which the body becomes the instrument and the audience doesn&#039;t have to wonder as much about the parameters the dancer is controlling. or maybe you make that wonder the central part of the performance. or anything! the point being that the skill with the interface (skill at dancing with this crazy controller suit on) actually now represents this relationship to the music that was previously missing.</p><p>and one last point: he&#039;s making this an open-source project, which is promising. it at least shows that he isn&#039;t willing to claim ownership of this style of performance (yet) and is more interested in just pushing the boundaries of what music performance is.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[spacetownsavior]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/spacetownsavior</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2011-06-23T01:58:42Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/70895/#p70895</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Beatjazzerzzz]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/70872/#p70872"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Note! wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Oh, also, the music was boring/vanilla-as-shit. </p><p>I&#039;ll agree that the problem of &quot;what-the-fuck-is-he/she-doing-up-there&quot; plagues gameboy musicians. That&#039;s where triggering loops live, soloing/muting and playing with the EQ come in - something that allows the audience to build a relationship between what they see happening and what they hear.</p></blockquote></div><p>This. Also, It may just be me, but one of the reasons i actually like going to hear laptop musicians / dj sets is because i prefer hearing the sound without &quot;seeing&quot; it. I don&#039;t want to like the music because it came from an old c64 (though that&#039;s always a plus!) i want to like it because it just sounds good.<br />I&#039;m all about that acousmatic sound, man.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[SKGB]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/SKGB</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2011-06-22T22:33:58Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/70872/#p70872</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Beatjazzerzzz]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>spacetownsavior wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>EDIT: wow! I just realized this is kind of EXACTLY what I want from music performance! the reason electronic music is fake-performed so often is because people don&#039;t know what the performer&#039;s relationship with the music coming from the speakers is...so anything that allows the audience to connect the performer with the music easier is awesome. and this is totally a way to connect the performer and his music, even if the performance only consists of triggering clips and adding effects.</p></blockquote></div><p>This is actually where I think this guy (and the controllers he&#039;s created) fails. If he hadn&#039;t had a powerpoint explaining what was going on, I wouldn&#039;t have had a single clue what he was doing. That&#039;s the one thing that I <em>do</em> actually like about the controller culture and things like monomes (which I don&#039;t like for a series of other reasons previously listed by others) - they succeed in the sense that when an artist pushes a button or turns a knob, the audience hears the result. This dude just stood there and wobbled a bit (maybe he gets into it eventually, I couldn&#039;t sit through the whole thing.)</p><p>Oh, also, the music was boring/vanilla-as-shit. </p><p>I&#039;ll agree that the problem of &quot;what-the-fuck-is-he/she-doing-up-there&quot; plagues gameboy musicians. That&#039;s where triggering loops live, soloing/muting and playing with the EQ come in - something that allows the audience to build a relationship between what they see happening and what they hear.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Note!]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Note%21</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2011-06-22T21:09:11Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/70866/#p70866</id>
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