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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Translating LSDJ groove to Renoise]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Nitro, I TOTALLY spaced out and didn&#039;t notice your reply to this, very very helpful. Thanks very much.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>nitro2k01 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Renoise&#039;s groove setting is slightly different and slightly less powerful than LSDj&#039;s. And also mislabeled as far as I can tell.</p></blockquote></div><p>Yeah, I must admit, I found it very confusing, I assumed it was me not understanding it properly. Thanks a great deal for clearing that up and thanks also to boomlinde!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Lazerbeat]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Lazerbeat</uri>
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			<updated>2011-12-07T14:27:00Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Translating LSDJ groove to Renoise]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>You rock.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[herr_prof]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/herr_prof</uri>
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			<updated>2011-11-22T19:30:19Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Translating LSDJ groove to Renoise]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Renoise&#039;s groove setting is slightly different and slightly less powerful than LSDj&#039;s. And also mislabeled as far as I can tell. <br />Where it says 1&amp;2, it should really say 2&amp;3. <br />Where it says 2&amp;3, it should really say 4&amp;5.<br />And 3&amp;4, the last slider, should really be called 6&amp;7.<br />I should actually file a bug report about this.</p><p>What they do is to control the shuffle between a pair of steps in the sequencer. This is why I believe they are mislabeled. What&#039;s more, Renoise&#039;s groove function can only affect the odd (i.e. second) step of the selected pair by delaying it. You can&#039;t do inverse shuffle like in LSDj, where the second step is played earlier than it normally would have been. Also, this means that you can&#039;t do shuffle over multiple steps, say you have notes on steps 0, 2, 4 and 6. No way to do it using the groove function, whereas LSDj could do it with something like a 7/7, 5/5 groove or whatever. (See <a href="http://www.packetsofknowledge.se/LSDj:Ticks_and_grooves" target="_blank">my article on ticks and grooves in LSDj</a>) Or put differently, Renoise can only swing 16th notes or whatever your LPB setting dictates that the smallest interval is.</p><p>What this translates to is that an LSDj groove can be translated to a Renoise groove if...<br />1) the LSDj groove has multiple pairs, each step must be equally long if you want to be able to to translate it precisely. 7/7, 5/5 (used for 1/8 note swing) wouldn&#039;t work since one pair is 14 ticks long and the other is 10 ticks long.<br />2) the LSDj swing value is &gt;=50%.</p><p>If those conditions are true, you can take the percentage in LSDj and calculate the corresponding Renoise groove with the formula Renoise_groove=(LSDj_groove-50)*2. In other words, you take the 50%-100% range and scale it to the full 0%-100% range, if that makes sense.</p><p>LSDj&#039;s grooves are variable length, but Renoise has a fixed length of 4 groove patterns, or 8 sequencer steps, so if your LSDj groove is only two steps, you need to repeat it across all 4 sliders. By default, the groove presets will contain progressive settings for all the 4 sliders. 1=all 0%, 6=all 50% and 10=all 90%.</p><p>So for example, to convert the simple LSDj groove 8/4, you first look what the percentage in LSDj is, which is 66%. 66-50=16; 2*16=32. So you need to change all of Renoise&#039;s sliders to 32%. You might that 30% is close enough and just click the default preset 4.</p><p>Hope I made sense for once. <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[nitro2k01]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/nitro2k01</uri>
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			<updated>2011-11-22T19:28:17Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Translating LSDJ groove to Renoise]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>on the master channel play around with the bpm command<br />have something like <br />F080<br />-<br />F060<br />-<br />F080<br />going throughout the song. Then you can change the numbers if&nbsp; you want</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Apricorn]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Apricorn</uri>
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			<updated>2011-11-22T19:15:23Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Translating LSDJ groove to Renoise]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Lsdj has a percentage meter too, looks like renoise wroks the same way. So a 7/5 groove puts it at 58%, have you tried setting the same groove in renoise? I think it would work.</p><p>If not maybe you should change the TICKS PER LINE in renoise to be 6, or whatever your groove is set to in lsdj.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[herr_prof]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/herr_prof</uri>
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			<updated>2011-11-22T15:47:41Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Translating LSDJ groove to Renoise]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>8/((8 + 4)/2)-1 = 33%</p><p>I think that&#039;s it! More generally lsdj1/((lsdj1 + lsdj2)/2)-1 = renoise groove</p><p>In case you don&#039;t have LSDJ grooves that average to 6, though, the tempo will be off, but the groove relationship should come out right regardless.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[boomlinde]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/boomlinde</uri>
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			<updated>2011-11-22T15:44:46Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Translating LSDJ groove to Renoise]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I am moving a track of mine from LSDJ to Renoise and I must confess to being utterly baffled by the different terminology for the groove settings. The song in question in LSDJ has a groove of:</p><p>00 8 66%<br />01 4</p><p>Renoise groove settings are expressed using percentages per beat (<a href="http://tutorials.renoise.com/wiki/Song_Settings#Groove_Settings" target="_blank">http://tutorials.renoise.com/wiki/Song_ &#133; e_Settings</a>) which I just about understand but I honestly don&#039;t know how to &quot;translate&quot; my LSDJ groove to renoise. Any help would be much appreciated.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Lazerbeat]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Lazerbeat</uri>
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			<updated>2011-11-22T15:26:40Z</updated>
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