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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Triplets issue on LSDJ]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/11724/#p11724"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Normal groove:<br />06</p><p>Triplet groove:<br />08<br />--<br />04<br />--</p><p>This way, if you skip every fourth step in a sequence it all adds up to a triplet without shortening the pattern or disrupting the mean speed, and you can switch back every even four steps after you changed the groove.</p><p>This is how I usually do it in trackers, but I guess it might not be the most convenient way in LSDJ.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[boomlinde]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/boomlinde</uri>
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			<updated>2010-02-19T20:12:37Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/11724/#p11724</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Triplets issue on LSDJ]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/11458/#p11458"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Again, it&#039;s all math. If your &quot;main&quot; groove is 8 ticks/16th note, a triplet 8th note should be 10 and 2/3 ticks long. One way of achieving this is to use grooves like this:<br />MAIN GROOVE<br />8<br />8<br />-</p><p>8T GROOVE<br />C<br />D<br />D<br />-</p><p>16T GROOVE<br />5<br />5<br />6<br />-</p><p><a href="http://wiki.littlesounddj.com/TripletsHowTo?v=17dr" target="_blank">http://wiki.littlesounddj.com/TripletsHowTo?v=17dr</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[tRasH cAn maN]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/tRasH+cAn+maN</uri>
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			<updated>2010-02-18T09:39:02Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/11458/#p11458</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Triplets issue on LSDJ]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the first method, which I still use a lot.</p><p>1. PDF is using an initial groove of 3. So making a new groove of 4 won&#039;t sound right if you&#039;re keeping your groove at 6. You&#039;ll need to change it to 8, unless you want double-speed triplets.</p><p>2. When you&#039;re fixing the groove of the other tracks, make sure that you&#039;re making those tracks with the groove of 6 and not the one of 8.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[hotmess]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/hotmess</uri>
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			<updated>2010-02-18T00:20:18Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/11394/#p11394</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Triplets issue on LSDJ]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/11391/#p11391"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>That&#039;s precisely what I&#039;d posted above... o_0</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[iNFOTOXIN]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/iNFOTOXIN</uri>
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			<updated>2010-02-17T23:58:04Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/11391/#p11391</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Triplets issue on LSDJ]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/11386/#p11386"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I cant send anyone there willingly.</p><p>&quot;It&#039;s basically just math. LSDJ&#039;s default groove is 6/6, which means each step is six ticks long. the first triplet is for a quarter phrase.</p><p>quarter phrase = 24 ticks (4 steps @ 6 ticks per step)<br />counted as 23 ticks (i&#039;m counting 0 as the first tick because it makes the math easier to understand.)</p><p>so the four steps start on ticks 0, 6, 12, and 18. </p><p>for triplets at this groove, you need each of the three &quot;steps&quot; to last 8 ticks, which would be 0, 8 and 16. </p><p>luckily the delay command also counts in ticks</p><p>0 C3 ---<br />1 C3 D02<br />2 C3 D04<br />3 -- ---</p><p>check that out, its a triplet</p><p>that&#039;s because we&#039;re starting the first step at 0 ticks, the second step at 6 ticks + 2 delay ticks, and the third step at 12 ticks + 4 delay ticks.</p><p>for a half phrase triplet, you&#039;re fiting 3 steps into 48 ticks. 48/3 = 16 ticks per &quot;step&quot; . needing a note on ticks 0, 16, and 32. so if we put in</p><p>0 C3 ---<br />1 -- ---<br />2 C3 D04<br />3 -- ---<br />4 -- ---<br />5 C3 D02<br />6 -- ---<br />7 -- ---</p><p>we have one note on tick 0, one note on tick 12 + 4 delay ticks, and one note on tick 30 + 2 delay ticks.</p><br /><p>incase you actually want to do a full phrase triplet it would be 96 ticks / 3 =&nbsp; 32 ticks per &quot;step&quot;, steps needed at 0, 32 and 64</p><p>so that would just be</p><p>0 C3 ___<br />1 __ ___<br />2 __ ___<br />3 __ ___<br />4 __ ___<br />5 C3 D02<br />6 __ ___<br />7 __ ___<br />8 __ ___<br />9 __ ___<br />A C3 D04<br />B __ ___<br />C __ ___<br />D __ ___<br />E __ ___<br />F __ ___</p><p>0, 30 + 2, 60 + 4</p><br /><p>here&#039;s the formula to remember for &quot;on the go&quot; or &quot;experimentation&quot;</p><p>(Ticks x Steps) / 3 = triplet length in ticks&quot; thanx to HandHald Heros</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[8bitweapon]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/8bitweapon</uri>
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			<updated>2010-02-17T23:29:31Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/11386/#p11386</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Triplets issue on LSDJ]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/11382/#p11382"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>could you link&nbsp; it please?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Rei Yano]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Rei+Yano</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2010-02-17T23:13:32Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/11382/#p11382</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Triplets issue on LSDJ]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/11339/#p11339"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Found it, thanx!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[8bitweapon]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/8bitweapon</uri>
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			<updated>2010-02-17T19:16:43Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/11339/#p11339</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Triplets issue on LSDJ]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/11331/#p11331"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Oops, edit above, saskrotch explains.<br />Amazed I didn&#039;t think of it myself a long time before... but then, I did not rtfm.<br />Much simpler than playing with hops.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[iNFOTOXIN]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/iNFOTOXIN</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2010-02-17T18:39:20Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/11331/#p11331</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Triplets issue on LSDJ]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/11330/#p11330"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I seem to remember Saskrotch (I think?) doing a pretty useful triplet tutorial on that other site a few months back. I could totally be talking out of my ass though.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Wizwars]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/Wizwars</uri>
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			<updated>2010-02-17T18:39:06Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/11330/#p11330</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Triplets issue on LSDJ]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/11329/#p11329"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>iNFOTOXIN wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>D command triplets are less hassle surely?</p></blockquote></div><p>How do you do a &quot;D&quot; command triplet? <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[8bitweapon]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/8bitweapon</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2010-02-17T18:37:50Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/11329/#p11329</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Triplets issue on LSDJ]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/11328/#p11328"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>D command triplets are less hassle surely?</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Saskrotch on another site. wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>i googled lsdj triplets and only found slorrin&#039;s pdf format&#039;s hawkfather&#039;s tutorial on how to do triplets with the G and H commands. i&#039;ve been using the D command for triplets, i dunno if this is common knowledge or what, if it is, my bad.</p><p>It&#039;s basically just math. LSDJ&#039;s default groove is 6/6, which means each step is six ticks long. the first triplet is for a quarter phrase.</p><p>quarter phrase = 24 ticks (4 steps @ 6 ticks per step)<br />counted as 23 ticks (i&#039;m counting 0 as the first tick because it makes the math easier to understand.)</p><p>so the four steps start on ticks 0, 6, 12, and 18.</p><p>for triplets at this groove, you need each of the three &quot;steps&quot; to last 8 ticks, which would be 0, 8 and 16.</p><p>luckily the delay command also counts in ticks</p><p>0 C3 ---<br />1 C3 D02<br />2 C3 D04<br />3 -- ---</p><p>check that out, its a triplet</p><p>that&#039;s because we&#039;re starting the first step at 0 ticks, the second step at 6 ticks + 2 delay ticks, and the third step at 12 ticks + 4 delay ticks.</p><p>for a half phrase triplet, you&#039;re fiting 3 steps into 48 ticks. 48/3 = 16 ticks per &quot;step&quot; . needing a note on ticks 0, 16, and 32. so if we put in</p><p>0 C3 ---<br />1 -- ---<br />2 C3 D04<br />3 -- ---<br />4 -- ---<br />5 C3 D02<br />6 -- ---<br />7 -- ---</p><p>we have one note on tick 0, one note on tick 12 + 4 delay ticks, and one note on tick 30 + 2 delay ticks.</p><br /><p>incase you actually want to do a full phrase triplet it would be 96 ticks / 3 =&nbsp; 32 ticks per &quot;step&quot;, steps needed at 0, 32 and 64</p><p>so that would just be</p><p>0 C3 ___<br />1 __ ___<br />2 __ ___<br />3 __ ___<br />4 __ ___<br />5 C3 D02<br />6 __ ___<br />7 __ ___<br />8 __ ___<br />9 __ ___<br />A C3 D04<br />B __ ___<br />C __ ___<br />D __ ___<br />E __ ___<br />F __ ___</p><p>0, 30 + 2, 60 + 4</p><br /><p>here&#039;s the formula to remember for &quot;on the go&quot; or &quot;experimentation&quot;</p><p>(Ticks x Steps) / 3 = triplet length in ticks</p><p>i&#039;m not going to go through a bunch of different grooves here. if you can operate a calculator you can figure out whether or not you can use this on a specific groove setting.</p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[iNFOTOXIN]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/iNFOTOXIN</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2010-02-17T18:34:45Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/11328/#p11328</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Triplets issue on LSDJ]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/11326/#p11326"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I watched &quot;The artist formerly known as PDF&quot;&#039;s youtube on how to do a triplet on lsdj.</p><p><div class="embed_video"><iframe width="560" height="340" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/PHsp5jrJ7To" frameborder="0" webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen allowfullscreen></iframe></div></p><p> However, this just shortens that loop and that loop will no longer sync with the rest of the song...</p><p>Any way to correct this?</p><p>I did change the groove in the other tracks, but now those parts are shorter no longer sound right. The triplets should conform to the measure, not the other way around!</p><p>Thank you in advance!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[8bitweapon]]></name>
				<uri>https://chipmusic.org/8bitweapon</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2010-02-17T18:17:05Z</updated>
			<id>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/11326/#p11326</id>
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