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			<title><![CDATA[Re: C64 SID shootout - 6581 vs 8580]]></title>
			<link>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/263232/#p263232</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<b><i>wedanced says:</i></b><div class="quotebox"><cite>str wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>&quot;New&quot; SID and SID replacement comparisons:<br /><a href="http://kompjut0r.blogspot.com/2019/01/fpgasid-vs-sid8580-vs-sid6581.html" target="_blank">http://kompjut0r.blogspot.com/2019/01/f &#133; d6581.html</a><br /><a href="http://kompjut0r.blogspot.com/2018/04/sid-8580-vs-armsid-vs-swinsid-ultimate_12.html" target="_blank">http://kompjut0r.blogspot.com/2018/04/s &#133; te_12.html</a><br /><a href="http://kompjut0r.blogspot.com/2018/04/sid-8580-vs-armsid-vs-swinsid-ultimate.html" target="_blank">http://kompjut0r.blogspot.com/2018/04/s &#133; imate.html</a></p></blockquote></div><p>This is awesome! Great work.</p>]]></description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 19 Feb 2020 21:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: C64 SID shootout - 6581 vs 8580]]></title>
			<link>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/262881/#p262881</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<b><i>str says:</i></b><p>&quot;New&quot; SID and SID replacement comparisons:<br /><a href="http://kompjut0r.blogspot.com/2019/01/fpgasid-vs-sid8580-vs-sid6581.html" target="_blank">http://kompjut0r.blogspot.com/2019/01/f &#133; d6581.html</a><br /><a href="http://kompjut0r.blogspot.com/2018/04/sid-8580-vs-armsid-vs-swinsid-ultimate_12.html" target="_blank">http://kompjut0r.blogspot.com/2018/04/s &#133; te_12.html</a><br /><a href="http://kompjut0r.blogspot.com/2018/04/sid-8580-vs-armsid-vs-swinsid-ultimate.html" target="_blank">http://kompjut0r.blogspot.com/2018/04/s &#133; imate.html</a></p>]]></description>
			<pubDate>Fri, 27 Dec 2019 11:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<b><i>wedanced says:</i></b><p>This is a great comparison. I am pretty sure I have a R3 revision given the samples.</p><p> It would be interesting to see a comparison with the modern replacement chips included too.</p>]]></description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jun 2019 06:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/262013/#p262013</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<b><i>danthalian says:</i></b><p>Well i&#039;ve ordered an FPGASID. Tried SwinSIDnano, it&#039;s ok, but not ideal. Fingers crossed that FPGASID is better.</p>]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 13 May 2019 05:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<b><i>vekter303 says:</i></b><p>Really, thats exactly what Ive been looking for...</p><p>Im about to order the TherapSid for Twisted Electrons and wanted a resourse for the MOS SID Chips. Im considering a mix now 6581R4 and 6581R4AR if I can find them!</p><p>Any take on the Nano SwinSID Ultimate?</p><p><a href="https://www.polyplay.xyz/SwinSID-Ultimate_1" target="_blank">https://www.polyplay.xyz/SwinSID-Ultimate_1</a></p><p>Realistically, sourcing these chips for them to fail soon (?) would be a bummer. YouTube reviews seem close and impressive...</p><p><a href="https://youtu.be/gVQH-vEG1mc" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/gVQH-vEG1mc</a></p><p>Cheers!</p>]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2019 18:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/256020/#p256020</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<b><i>herr_prof says:</i></b><p>This is a great resource, thanks for the hard work</p>]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2018 01:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/256019/#p256019</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<b><i>TylerBarnes says:</i></b><p>I really like some of the mixed (broken) waveforms on the 6581. If I remember correct the tri+sqr can be really raspy and expressive with PWM.</p>]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2018 20:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/256018/#p256018</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<b><i>str says:</i></b><p>Since the initial post in this topic I made a few more comparison tests. Check it out if you are interested to hear how the SID replacement chips sound compared to the original:<br /><a href="https://kompjut0r.blogspot.de/search/label/shootout" target="_blank">https://kompjut0r.blogspot.de/search/label/shootout</a></p><p>(start from the bottom, newer posts are on the top)</p>]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2018 12:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/238155/#p238155</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<b><i>str says:</i></b><p>4mat: yes, each sid revision has its beauty. for a loong long time i only had the 8580 and once i bought an old breadbin with 6581 every music sounded weird <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> even the ones that were composed on 6581.<br />the 8580 can mix waveforms and it has some other advantages as well.</p><p>i would love to hear more opinion about different revisions and their sound, probably everyone has a different opinion and taste <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2016 21:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<b><i>d3Ni$e says:</i></b><p>Just in love with R3 <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2016 14:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<b><i>4mat says:</i></b><p>Most modern demoscene musicians stick with 8580, though personally I have a soft spot for the rumbly R4 filter.&nbsp; (the best sid is the one you grew up with I guess)&nbsp; The 8580 also has slightly different waveform reponses here and there iirc.</p>]]></description>
			<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2016 00:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/238100/#p238100</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<b><i>str says:</i></b><p>yeah, all of those revisions are different and in theory none of the c64&#039;s sound the same because of the circuit design and different elements in and around the SID chip <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /><br />i&#039;m going to make another test soon because i&#039;m curious how the R3 would sound in the Breadbin motherboard. will it be noisy as hell or the noise depends on the VIC chip..?<br />ladies and gentlemen, make your bets <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2016 21:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<b><i>dustfilledhobo says:</i></b><p>Thanks for this.&nbsp; I&#039;ve always heard they were different, but this shows how different they really are.</p>]]></description>
			<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2016 17:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<b><i>2PLAYER says:</i></b><p>Wow, very cool comparison! Part 2 definitely shows the differences between each chip and that R3 sure is noisy as hell.</p>]]></description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2015 16:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<b><i>The Laohu says:</i></b><p>This is really cool. Great job!</p>]]></description>
			<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2015 15:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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