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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Commodore 64 or 128]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<b><i>garvalf says:</i></b><p>I&#039;ve got my SD2IEC from scitechsuppliesdata (scitechsuppliesltd on ebay), and it&#039;s very good, it works like a charm, I can load d64 floppies, but the best is you can have all the data in the sd card (in fat16 format), and load any .prg (like sidwizard) and get the tunes and instruments from the sd card. It&#039;s perfect for my use, and the price is fair.</p>]]></description>
			<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2016 19:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<b><i>irrlichtproject says:</i></b><p>For full compatibility, there&#039;s also the the Turbo Chameleon 64 and the UK1541, if you can get your hands on one. They&#039;re all quite pricey though. Personally, I&#039;m fine with watching demos off a real floppy drive <img src="https://chipmusic.org/forums/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p><p>Regarding the sd2iec, external power is overkill imo. You&#039;ll only ever need that if you want to do diagnose faulty C64s or do hardware projects (in which case you&#039;re probably better off with a 1541UII/UK1541/TC64) or use the thing with a non-Commodore machine (in which case there are probably better options available as well).</p>]]></description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2016 16:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<b><i>theythem says:</i></b><p>the sd2iec is adequate for running sid wizard or music players, but if you need full compatibility i think the 1541 ultimate is the only one that&#039;ll do it</p>]]></description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2016 14:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<b><i>4mat says:</i></b><p>oh, other thing with the flash/sd carts is to check how much of the disk drive emulation they do. (usually called 1541 emulation after the standard drive)&nbsp; Some of them only do a kind of &#039;kernal trap&#039; that won&#039;t work with fastloaders.&nbsp; A lot of music software uses the kernal loader I think, but if you want to run demos/disk games/other things you&#039;d need fast loader support.</p>]]></description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2016 13:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<b><i>garvalf says:</i></b><p>Thanks @irrlichtproject, I&#039;ll order the second one then (is it the v3?). It seems neither block the port (neither user, cassette or joystick port for the first one), because there is a kind of extender. But having a more recent version is better anyway. And I need an external because I have two C64 with different sound chips.</p><p>Any reason to get the v4 instead? They are 50% more expensive (but with a nice case), I&#039;d prefer to spare money to order a gotek for my Atari ST.</p>]]></description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2016 09:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/247920/#p247920</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<b><i>Peng says:</i></b><p>Yeah because I have been looking at SD2IEC but Im not sure which version to get. I guess a v4 but then which power supply and extras.</p>]]></description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2016 08:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/247917/#p247917</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<b><i>irrlichtproject says:</i></b><p>Definately the second one. The first one is an outdated version, and blocking a joystick port is obviously not convenient. I got mine from <a href="https://www.thefuturewas8bit.com" target="_blank">https://www.thefuturewas8bit.com</a> when they were still selling v3.</p><p>About the user port vs cassette port I&#039;m not sure, perhaps it&#039;s a matter of leaving the user port available when possible.</p>]]></description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2016 07:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/247915/#p247915</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<b><i>garvalf says:</i></b><p>Would you recommend this one :<br /><a href="http://www.ebay.fr/itm/SD2IEC-SD-Card-Reader-for-Commodore-64-1541-Disk-Drive-Emulator-C64-/282159351930?hash=item41b202087a:g:Q34AAOSw3xJXnmGw" target="_blank">http://www.ebay.fr/itm/SD2IEC-SD-Card-R &#133; Sw3xJXnmGw</a></p><p>or this one : <br /><a href="http://www.ebay.fr/itm/SD2IEC-SD-CARD-COMMODORE-1541-I-II-DISK-DRIVE-C64-VIC20-C16-C128-C128D-Plus4-/262344759217?var=&amp;hash=item3d14f757b1:m:m3SvrbtphHSeG5Qd-9mDvXA" target="_blank">http://www.ebay.fr/itm/SD2IEC-SD-CARD-C &#133; 5Qd-9mDvXA</a></p><p>(almost the same price, the first one as a case)</p><p>for the second one, I don&#039;t understand why there are 2 versions, one for the cassette port, one for the user port, they say the cassette port is not compatible with plus-4 or SX-64, but the user port is compatible with everything, so why not only selling the user port version? (maybe an old stock). Is there a benefit to use the cassette port over the user port?</p><p>The first version (from Poland) seems to use the joystick port.</p><p>I&#039;d use it with SidWizard (and probably other musical tools, but it won&#039;t be for much games so I don&#039;t really care if some packed games won&#039;t work)</p>]]></description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2016 06:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<b><i>oscillating says:</i></b><p>SD2IEC.</p>]]></description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2016 06:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<b><i>Peng says:</i></b><p>Ok, great. What is the best SD-card solution or Flashcart righ now?</p>]]></description>
			<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2016 05:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<b><i>yogi says:</i></b><div class="quotebox"><cite>Peng wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Awesome guys great feedback. I&#039;ve gotten hold of a newer C64 with a mssiah cart so Ill start there.<br />What do I need extra if I want to use any other tracker?`Or any other&nbsp; tips. Like is it a good idea to have a SD card reader?</p></blockquote></div><p>YES to an SD card interface. IMO it&#039;s almost a bare essential for most retro systems to be useful now-a-days. I do respect those that want a &#039;full experience&#039; with floppy drives&nbsp; and data recorders and original media. But for cross development, and chip tuning with PC tools like GoatTracker, you need some (fast) way to move between the systems. Here is some basic info-<br /><a href="http://www.c64-wiki.com/index.php/SD2IEC" target="_blank">http://www.c64-wiki.com/index.php/SD2IEC</a><br />You could also go the Flash Cart route. <br />Yogi</p>]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2016 20:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<b><i>stress_tn says:</i></b><p>c64 I think better for music making, c64c and c128 are much bigger)</p>]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2016 14:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<b><i>stress_tn says:</i></b><p>c64 I think better for music making, c64c and c128 are much bigger)</p>]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2016 14:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<b><i>Peng says:</i></b><p>Awesome guys great feedback. Ive gotten hold of a newer C64 with a mssiah cart so Ill start there.<br />What do I need extra if I want to use any other tracker?`Or any other&nbsp; tips. Like is it a good idea to have a SD card reader?</p>]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2016 10:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<b><i>Tumult says:</i></b><div class="quotebox"><cite>4mat wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Yeah 128 has no advantages, apart from the 128D which has a drive built-in.&nbsp; Unless you specifically like Mssiah&#039;s workflow personally I&#039;d go for any scene tracker made in the last 20 years instead, will more likely get you that &#039;c64 sound&#039;.&nbsp; Before you pick one though I&#039;d suggest trying some different tools in an emulator because working on Gameboy and C64 are quite different.</p></blockquote></div><p>Mssiah is clunky as f*ck indeed - but in a live show setting the interface does have some pretty nice quirks that trackers don&#039;t really allow easily.</p><p>Personally I don&#039;t use Mssiah / Prophet for midi chains anymore (bassline / monosynth modules) - but the sequencer mode with 2xSIDs makes for a pretty nice environment for a live setup where you have reasonably high level of control over filters / SID quirks, and with the magic of Scannerboy&#039;s DIN / midi sync I can hang my electribes and other midi devices using Prophet64 as the master clock which is nice!</p>]]></description>
			<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2016 02:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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