Sounds like they already started on that.

Another solution might be for the Ninstrument team to develop / or commission development of their own software for NES / GB for the project then they can do whatever they like with it.

DSC, i don't think you should bother with Chipmusic.org it seems like legal issues and credit mean more than bringing creative ideas into the world.

its a shame that people can't even build concepts or prototypes without having to deal with all the formal crap.

people keep mentioning that this is a commercial product and so disrespects the creators of the free software, but for it to be commercial he has to sell at least ONE, so far with this being a prototype, its just an idea which is the important thing. when it comes to selling things i am sure DSC will get the appropriate permission, but this is purely a development phase.

also people seem to forget that making software free is a lot easier than making hardware free. software can be copied for free, hardware can't. now if all the people making free software were to also make free hardware and give it away that would be a big deal but its not going to happen. people can't afford to do that, so making money out of selling hardware is not evil, corporate or capitalistic its unavoidable, unless you are a billionaire with too much free time.

not you, i was just continuing the discussion, im sorry i ment more so the ultra negativity.  I wasnt so good at breaking up what i was saying into clear sections.

my question about video out wasn't meant to be crazy, argumentative, or discouraging. i'm geniunely curious.

I think were getting too crazy on the arguing semantics at every corner possible, this is a work in progress.  I dont know about the gameboys but im pretty sure a video out for a nintendo is more then just possible and this things a proto type.  chip maestro hasnt even shipped yet(successfully funded 10x the amount required in june)

i bet theres plenty of time to iron out some problems and implement new ideas.  cant we get stoked for anything?

how would one use ntrq this way? would there be a video out and they'd have to buy a rackmounted tv or something?

Yes, I agree.  It would simplify things.  Oliver (nanoloop) has it figured out. Mssiah and cynthcart are straight forward.  I plan to donate $10 or more to LSDJ for every copy we buy.
Frustrating.

Neil and Trash should sell badges that say ABOY/NTRQ INSIDE ala intel, and then oems can buy them direct for their commercial use

I understand the confusion based on our prototype. 

The next prototype we are working on has removable carts slots.  The nes cart can be removed by opening the bonnet and changing out the cart.   WE ARE SELLING HARDWARE ONLY.  We have acquired a developer and will write and use our own arduino code to power the gameboys.
WE ARE NOT SELLING SOFTWARE!  We are encouraging our customers to acquire their own software.  We will offer them information on
how to obtain it and in some cases purchase it for them, but these are separate transactions outside of the sales of our units in WHICH WE WILL NOT PROFIT ANYTHING!!!  Similar as to what is being done by Non-electronics.  If we obtain proof of purchase, we will flash a cart for them.
We have a customer who purchased a NTRQ cart from you and requested it to be installed into his Ninstrument.  He provided his cart and we are installing it for him.  His transaction was with you and that is the way we prefer it.  Just like it was done before.  Nintendo sold the units and other game developers sold their games.  We are selling heavily modified units and we encourage our customers to search out and find the various programs to run and use on their Ninstruments.

Sorry for the confusion.

Neil Baldwin laying down the truth, can't argue with that at all! I fully support Neil's software developing vision.

I hate to stir the already troubled waters in this discussion but I have to say something.

All of my NES software, NTRQ, Pulsar and PR8 were developed and released for anyone to use free of charge. In the past I've had people want to, for example, make and sell cartridges with my software on. They have respectfully contacted me and asked my permission and in some cases, where appropriate, a portion of the money made from the sales has been donated to my chosen charity.

This project was brought to my attention by another CM member who spotted that the creators intend to use NTRQ on it and are actively using this fact in their marketing.

They are effectively, thus, making a commercial product out of my free software without even so much as contacting me to ask permission.

Of course, by releasing my software publicly, for free, anyone is able to do what they like with it and nobody really needs to ask for permission. I would, however, given the amount of time and effort that went into NTRQ and for which I have (willingly) not been paid a penny, that I would at least be afforded a little respect from anyone wishing to make a derivative commercial product from it.

this feels like its getting a little bitter again, do i have to come back here and tell you all to play nice?

I no longer have any opinions on this.