<![CDATA[ChipMusic.org - Breaking the rules of tonality, how do you do it "right"?]]> https://chipmusic.org/forums/topic/8015/breaking-the-rules-of-tonality-how-do-you-do-it-right/ Wed, 08 Aug 2012 05:32:19 +0000 PunBB <![CDATA[Re: Breaking the rules of tonality, how do you do it "right"?]]> https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/125332/#p125332 Derris-Kharlan says:
SketchMan3 wrote:

And Bach is awesome. He made a composition based on the letters of his name, (H is A, if I'm not mistaken). That's awesome.

What a wanker.

]]> Wed, 08 Aug 2012 05:32:19 +0000 https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/125332/#p125332 <![CDATA[Re: Breaking the rules of tonality, how do you do it "right"?]]> https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/125308/#p125308 chunter says:
gyms wrote:

Ultimately, your sense of melody comes from your own musical tastes, so if you somehow find yourself creating straight up vanillacore-diatonic melodies then maybe you should look in to expanding the types of music you expose yourself to(but seriously tho, I don't think it's even a natural thing for anyone to process strict diatonic melodies ALL THE TIME unless they're really thinking too hard).

Don't use Microsoft Songsmith to write harmonies. wink

I agree with this statement quite a bit, as most blues and country types won't change keys besides gear shifts, so it's about what you listen to, your musical culture.

]]> Wed, 08 Aug 2012 01:43:53 +0000 https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/125308/#p125308 <![CDATA[Re: Breaking the rules of tonality, how do you do it "right"?]]> https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/125302/#p125302 gyms says:

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]]> Wed, 08 Aug 2012 00:40:37 +0000 https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/125302/#p125302 <![CDATA[Re: Breaking the rules of tonality, how do you do it "right"?]]> https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/125267/#p125267 SketchMan3 says:
Victory Road wrote:
Saskrotch wrote:

lol

yeah i wanna know how you came to this conclusion, given that there's already an A in BACH tongue

I just skimmed through that section of my music appreciation book... >_>
I didn't even know that that was an actual musical note in the German system. I thought Bach was just like... "Hmmm....  H comes after G, and, in music, A comes after G, so H = A." It makes sense to use a musical Motif of B, A, C, A. Doesn't seem all that illogical to me, though it did cross my mind that it was a bit redundant for a guy like Johann.

Victory Road wrote:

well yeah, but it's the kind of mistake you make for 2 seconds and then think "OH WAIT why would they replace the FIRST LETTER with a different one that's kinda silly i sure am a goose"

i don't think any less of you, though :>

I wish I could come back with "Well, two seconds after I typed that and hit "'Submit Reply' I realized the mistake but then I had to leave so I couldn't fix it and I forgot."

But I can't. sad

You guys all knew that H wasn't a wrap-around A in German music? Man. I need to get out of this small American box I've been living in...

SKGB wrote:

just, fucking, pick the notes that you hear in your head

Yeah, that works too. This where the "honesty and expressing what's inside of you" thing I mentioned comes into play.

]]> Tue, 07 Aug 2012 19:06:23 +0000 https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/125267/#p125267 <![CDATA[Re: Breaking the rules of tonality, how do you do it "right"?]]> https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/125202/#p125202 SKGB says:
SketchMan3 wrote:
Telerophon wrote:

This is actually called a "quarter-tone," and playing music with tones between those defined in equal temperment is called "Microtonality" or "Microtonal Music." Composers like Krzysztof Penderecki are particularly well known for this.

And John Cage big_smile

and pretty much anyone else who writes music based off of something other than the scales of western classical music

]]> Tue, 07 Aug 2012 13:22:42 +0000 https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/125202/#p125202 <![CDATA[Re: Breaking the rules of tonality, how do you do it "right"?]]> https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/125201/#p125201 SKGB says:

just, fucking, pick the notes that you hear in your head

]]> Tue, 07 Aug 2012 13:19:23 +0000 https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/125201/#p125201 <![CDATA[Re: Breaking the rules of tonality, how do you do it "right"?]]> https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/125199/#p125199 Victory Road says:

well yeah, but it's the kind of mistake you make for 2 seconds and then think "OH WAIT why would they replace the FIRST LETTER with a different one that's kinda silly i sure am a goose"

i don't think any less of you, though :>

]]> Tue, 07 Aug 2012 12:12:39 +0000 https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/125199/#p125199 <![CDATA[Re: Breaking the rules of tonality, how do you do it "right"?]]> https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/125198/#p125198 SadPanda says:
Victory Road wrote:
Saskrotch wrote:

lol

yeah i wanna know how you came to this conclusion, given that there's already an A in BACH tongue

Probably because in the alphabet H is after G, and on an instrument A is after G. He's not the only one I've seen make this conclusion, and if someone asked me I probably would have made the same mistake.

]]> Tue, 07 Aug 2012 11:30:16 +0000 https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/125198/#p125198 <![CDATA[Re: Breaking the rules of tonality, how do you do it "right"?]]> https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/125197/#p125197 Victory Road says:
Saskrotch wrote:
SketchMan3 wrote:

And Bach is awesome. He made a composition based on the letters of his name, (H is A, if I'm not mistaken). That's awesome.

lol

yeah i wanna know how you came to this conclusion, given that there's already an A in BACH tongue

]]> Tue, 07 Aug 2012 11:24:54 +0000 https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/125197/#p125197 <![CDATA[Re: Breaking the rules of tonality, how do you do it "right"?]]> https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/125196/#p125196 wandering genie says:
SketchMan3 wrote:
SadPanda wrote:

And I thought I was clueless on page 1. Straight up Alicia Silverstone clueless now.

Really not as complex as it sounds. Half this stuff we're saying, I know, sounds like pretentious fluff, lol. Like, bluesy music does that kind of stuff all the time.

Take a look at a couple of popular songs. "All Shook Up" by Elvis Presley, at the second bar, over a Bb chord the melody goes for a brief moment to C# (in the downbeat of the second beat), because of its position it blends perfectly with the rest of the melody.

You're talking about the "Lo-OVE" part, where it slides from a C to a C# , right? That actually depends on the version of the song. Sometimes he doesn't do it. That note is the Dominant 7th of E, so it's logical because E is in the key of Bb. In fact, the very next chord progression is E7, F7, Bb. big_smile

And, if you're wondering, no I did not know that off-hand. Yes, I did pull out my ukulele and figure it out.

The part I´m talking about is at the very beginning of the song "what´s wrong WITH me?" or when it cames to the other verse "and my KNEES are weak?". "With" and "Knees" fall on the C#.
The progression you are talking should be Eb7, F7, Bb (I think there was a typo in your post and the "b" for Eb did not appeared). Then C# would be sound as dominant 7th of Eb (in fact, in this case it would be Db and not C#) In these kind of situations although they sound alike, they have different names.

By the way, I agree with you, It is better to try all these things we are talking about with an instruments in our hands.

]]> Tue, 07 Aug 2012 11:00:35 +0000 https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/125196/#p125196 <![CDATA[Re: Breaking the rules of tonality, how do you do it "right"?]]> https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/125195/#p125195 Saskrotch says:
SketchMan3 wrote:

And Bach is awesome. He made a composition based on the letters of his name, (H is A, if I'm not mistaken). That's awesome.

lol

]]> Tue, 07 Aug 2012 10:30:16 +0000 https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/125195/#p125195 <![CDATA[Re: Breaking the rules of tonality, how do you do it "right"?]]> https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/125191/#p125191 SketchMan3 says:
ant1 wrote:
SketchMan3 wrote:

And Bach is awesome. He made a composition based on the letters of his name, (H is A, if I'm not mistaken). That's awesome.

german "H" is what we call B natural and german "B" is what we call B flat  :-)

Thanks for teh correction. smile

]]> Tue, 07 Aug 2012 09:19:42 +0000 https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/125191/#p125191 <![CDATA[Re: Breaking the rules of tonality, how do you do it "right"?]]> https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/125188/#p125188 ant1 says:
SketchMan3 wrote:

And Bach is awesome. He made a composition based on the letters of his name, (H is A, if I'm not mistaken). That's awesome.

german "H" is what we call B natural and german "B" is what we call B flat  :-)

]]> Tue, 07 Aug 2012 08:59:45 +0000 https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/125188/#p125188 <![CDATA[Re: Breaking the rules of tonality, how do you do it "right"?]]> https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/125172/#p125172 Telerophon says:

whoa

]]> Tue, 07 Aug 2012 05:37:27 +0000 https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/125172/#p125172 <![CDATA[Re: Breaking the rules of tonality, how do you do it "right"?]]> https://chipmusic.org/forums/post/125162/#p125162 Frostbyte says:

Just use the Coltrane matrix

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