I've got a backup of VGM MM 11 here: https://github.com/catskull/ym2017.com/ … aker11.zip

bumping this again because the mediafire link on the old FT forum to all the tools disappeared recently.

This thread is a really good example of why I don't use deflemask

Bumping this to let you all know that all dropbox links in this topic are all 404. However, I did find another working link for TFM Music Maker 1.52.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/pcx … 2.rar?dl=1
Sadly, the only link for VGM Music Maker I can find is this one.
ftp://ftp.modland.com/pub/software/trac … 20v1.11.7z

You bet.  I respect that you can take criticism in stride.  In the following week I'll try to start another serious project with DefleMask so I can create a bug list while I'm working.

Btw, I remember talking to 8GB about you back when I met him in person.  Very surprised you've made it this far.

I invite you to the DefleMask's forums again, I added the Wavetables Macro thanks to your request, so you can point one by one what is the "bizarre" and "not very intuitive" things about the GUI, and maybe we can make DefleMask better one more time; also, could you please explain those "glitches" that you are suffering while editing FM Instruments? (because a similar issue was already fixed some months ago, and maybe you are reporting already fixed things).

Is the same for DefleMask, I grantee that if a new user reads the manual completely and spend time using the tracker, he will realize that it is very easy to use. But well, many people usually close applications when they are not similar to what they were using, even without even reading the manual. A similar thing happened to Shiru with VGMMM.

We can continue this in DefleMask's Forum, if you want, to avoid mixing DefleMask and VGMMM here.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/36071551/Shiru/tfmmaker151.zip

Here's a newer version of TFM Maker.  Latest I believe is still v1.52.

Delek:  It's good that people don't like certain things and take things into their own hands to make something they want.  I can't say I really "like" DefleMask or VGM MM very much.  The GUI in DefleMask is just bizarre and not very intuitive.  Certain elements of it are even glitchy; especially when you are editing FM instruments and playing sequences.  And truthfully comparing DefleMask and VGM MM is pointless.  They are two different types of trackers.  On one hand DefleMask tries to shove as much chip-related tracking into one environment.  VGM MM is a Genesis-only tracker (that can also sort of do Game Gear/SMS.)  VGM MM is able to be more intimate with the Genesis/MD music because it can cater entirely around that one console and its few chips.  DefleMask has one GUI and supports multiple platforms.  It tries to make one environment for multiple types of chips.  I believe it cannot be as intimate as a tracker made for specifically one sound chip or console/computer.  If you can get people to like tracking in your environment then you have a powerful workstation that allows export of multiple sound chips.  In that sense it would be superior.  For example, Sunvox is a sonovabitch to learn at first, but once you understand it it is a very fun and amazing environment to work with.  I see that potential with DefleMask, but it just isn't there at the moment.  Keep up the good work until then!

Well a user sent me a PM about the stop of Shiru's development, and I get to the FT forums and here, and I have to say this:

I never liked TFMMM/VGMMM, but something that seems strange to me is the release dates, and I think that now is the time to tell this because of the stopped development of TFMMM/VGMMM:
- TFM was released on year 2007 (With ONLY YM2612 support)
.. 4 years after
- DefleMask Beta 1 was released (16.05.11, with YMU759 support only)
... Rumors of Genesis Support in DefleMask arrived.
- VGMMM was released (22.06.11 Full Genesis Support)
- DefleMask 3.5 was released (29.08.11 Full Genesis Support)
...
...
...

The lack of Full Genesis in TFM and other things about the GUI and etc, actually inspired me to add Genesis to DefleMask in the beginning, and I think that the whispering that was running around about a possible Multi-System philosophy of DefleMask actually inspired Shiru to add PCM/SN76489 to TFM Music Maker. I could be wrong, but that dates list is suspicious.

Whatever, today, one year after the first DefleMask release, I have to thanks to Shiru for done TFMMM, I never liked it, and that was the reason why I added Full Genesis support to DefleMask.

I have a lot of respect for him... so much so that now I actually feel bad that we have mirrors of his software.
There could be more sensitivity on this forum, to be completely honest...

..... i havent watched such chiptune drama unveil in a long time...
Well...

As i see it. Shiru is a talented dood. he made some software that i think went over the heads of a lot of beginning users who are used to being spoon fed and looking at pretty things.
His programs were raw and functional and i never had any problem using them.

Without a doubt He created the most in-depth effective tracker for FM chiptune synthesis that i have seen.

I think his work wasn't as appreciated as it should have been and he got a lot more shit then praise. i can understand his frustration.
I mean we shouldn't expect so much from a dood just doing his thing for shits and giggles. He even went beyond that and the same thing happened.

Its his software and he can do what ever he wants with it. We dont really have any god given right to demand anything from him.

shit gets bashy up in this dot org.

To be fair, this place is only as bad as it is because 8bc shut down. It's like a bunch of immigrants from dumbshit island showed up and took all our jobs.

Thanks bro

More relevant to the OP, I just started using VGM MM today, and I love this tracker.

SEGA

To make myself clearer I meant Chipmusic.org sucks, not Shiru.  It just happens to be a place that I like to post news at and in threads that I care about.  Otherwise this place is only slightly less of a cesspool than 8bc.  Shiru is alright.  I'm just pissed about him yanking the files.