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Has anyone played LSDJ in clubs? I have been a techno DJ for over 10 years but only recently got into making music on LSDJ. I heard someone playing on a gameboy in a club in Holland and it blew my mind! After that I was hooked. Id like to consider playing in a club sometime but a little scared of the crowd response as its definitely out of the norm and there is no 'get out of jail free card', you have to commit!.

So for those who have played in a club with LSDJ:

-What was the crowds response?
-What style of chipmusic sounds best in a club? (DnB, Techno, House, dubstep...)
-How long did you play?
-What problems did you have?
-Does it sound good on all setups?
-What were you EQ settings? (im guessing around +12db Low, +10db Hi)
-Anything else out of the normal?

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do what you want!

im sure you could drop a few decent lsdj techno traxxx into a techno set if you are feeling aprehensive about it.

depends what kinda techno you play i guess but most styles have probably been covered by chipmusics

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Arizona
Jellica wrote:

do what you want!

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I was meaning doing a live set on only a gameboy or two. No turntables.

Chip tune music doesnt mix well with other music. The kickdrum is so flat and melodies so bright. It just clashes.

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Seattle, WA

2xlsdj can get to sounding pretty professional.

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If you are playing in a nightclub, be aware that it's not a music scene like here or within the chipmusic scene. Clubs want dance music. Clubs tend to want things that draw people in so people buy drinks and want to come back.

You have to be honest with yourself about your music, your club scene, and your "competition" aka the local DJ's and any touring acts or bands. Your music has to compete with professionally produced music DJ's play and other acts that the nightclub, well-rehearsed bands that might know a million songs and cover pop hits to appease the folks who don't like rock band music.

If your music isn't up to the production quality that you would be comfortable with hearing, work on it. Got audio engineer friends, friends in bands, or friends who know what well-produced music should sound like? Let them help you out. Buy them drinks, play your stuff in their studio, do a multitrack recording and tweak EQ. Figure out what sounds good when it's loud. Most of the time, the Gameboy sounds really good when it's amped up (prosound) with no EQing if your songs are well-balanced in the way your programmed the volume and envelopes.

If your music isn't up to the songwriting quality that you would be comfortable with dancing to, time to figure out what to do - you can make VIP's (Variation In Production) of your non-dance tracks, something I've seen other LSDJ users do, to make some tracks more accessible for the dance floor. Don't think your kicks are punchy enough? Search up the feaux sidechaining tutorials to make it sound like the kick cuts through the mix. Perhaps your synthesis of the kick isn't making it beefy enough, there are lots of people here with a firm grasp of synthesis who may be able to help you with that sound design if you reach out and PM them.

Be aware that you may need to suit the mainstream needs if it's a mainstream nightclub. Consider who your audience is, how you plan on promoting your act, how long your set will be (it can be difficult to make LSDJ music sound varied to non-chip listeners), and what your backup plan is in case you face things like getting drinks thrown at you, booed, or them turning the house mixer off and you are asked to leave. I've had amazing opposition from some folks I've played for in the deep South in the US, but that was because I was looking for somewhere to play, and I didn't consider what my audience was expecting. If you plan on playing somewhere, promote the living shit out of it. Otherwise you may end up with a bunch of people who were expecting the regular act. Promoting is important for drawing irregular patrons in as well as warning people who probably won't like your music to simply not go that night. I've had a lot of success opening my own DJ sets with LSDJ tracks, or opening for friends who DJ.

Be honest when talking to club owners, booking guys, and promoters the last thing you want to do is lie or leave them in the dark about what you are doing. It's often good to give them a 20 minute "sampler" CD of your work showcasing a variety of styles, tempos, and genres. Good promoters will know to hype the fact that your kind of music is "underground" or whatever, and it should get the "alternative" scene to give it a look. Find out where and how the promoters are promoting, and help them out. Reach out to scenes, groups of friends, whatever that you can to supplement their efforts. Don't EVER count on promoters to do the job right, so do the job as if it were just you (but be cool to the promoters lol) so any turnout you get is you+them, as far as effort goes. Make sure you are where people can see what you are doing, if you are mostly the "sit back and let Song mode work" figure out what subtle things you can do (perhaps work on modest and EFFECTIVE effects usage). If you are cool with it, see if you can get a table out on the dancefloor. Make sure people don't set their drinks on it, if you can help it. Even have a little piece of a paper that says "no drink" handy. If you are involved and dancing or bouncing or moving to your music, people will dig it even if you are the only one grooving. There is nothing worse than seeing an artist who is not into their music, even if it doesn't meet OTHER people's expectations/make them dance. Good attitude goes a very long way, as well as good communication. Good stage presence makes for half of what people remember for a live performance, the other half typically is what they thought of their favorite song from your set, and the last song they hear.

If you decide to play an instrument or do pop covers or something, more power to you unless it's hackishly thrown together and doesn't sound good. Otherwise it becomes immediately clear to people that you're grasping for cool points. If you typically rock a 1xLSDJ set, have two Gameboys and two carts so there's never silence. Silence = awkwardness in electronic acts, unless it is used super dramatically. People might assume something went wrong. Be sure the club guys and sound guy know what kind of inputs to the mixer you need, and since you most likely have a stereo output to your mixer, ASK if they have a Direct Input (DI) box and if they don't, go to the local music shop/DJ supply store and rent one or see if the club can rent it for you. It will be what lets your setup easily become a mono signal and sound good on the club speaker setup. This is to help you avoid phasing and other issues that can arise in club venues due to how they wire they sound systems.

For the two-Gameboys performance, especially 2xLSDJ if that's how you roll, make sure you have dance-esque intros of mostly drums or a bass line or background pattern, and matching outros. Make them 1xLSDJ only, and apply it to both parts of your 2xLSDJ tracks if that's how it works. This allows you to mix into any other song from another, barring the key, tempo, and maybe meter. You can change key in LSDJ with the transpose function, and step stuff down step-by-step over a loop. Tempo can be controlled as well, stepped down or tap-to-tempo with the A button. Keep in mind what I've written, and watch this video of Knife City tearing it up at MAGfest  a while back. He does all of those things, using live mode to set loops when needed, and the occasional DJ effect from his mixer. 2xLSDJ, with some 1xLSDJ transition sections. Watch his hands, when he touches the DMG's he's setting up loops in Live mode, cuing up tracks, or muting certain channels. No magic, just pre-planned performance.

Keep in mind you don't have to sound like Knife City or anyone else, just make sure you think you sound great smile there's never shame in polishing your sound and skills some more before taking on your local club, to be honest, that's a huge goal. And if you have a great gig, congrats! smile if you decide it might be to much to take on, there are always open mics, house parties, and busking sort of opportunities.

YOU DO NOT PLAY FOR FREE even if it is for fun. You are providing the core source of entertainment for the evening. The club may own the speakers, the building, the name, and transitively the booze and reputation. People don't go there simply to drink, they go for the atmosphere. You contribute to it, so you should be paid. For an average night DJing (4-6 hours spinning, no original tracks) here in the US I typically charge a club upwards of $250 USD, If you were to pack a nightclub, you would charge more per hour on top of a flat fee ($100USD would be a good flat-fee) since it were original material you spent countless hours creating. Don't undersell yourself. You show a bit of self-worth when you charge for your talent.

Best of luck, and if you ever want to chat or Skype about this, PM me! I have a lot of experience with nightmare crowds and bad scenarios (dead batteries, drinks spilling, mad/angry venue owners, haters on chipmusic/electronic music in general).

EDIT: I made this answer huge and not quite enough to truly answer your questions because there is not a ton to scalp with those questions. 6db headroom is plenty. You play music people dance to. You want to make sure this isn't the only time you will ever play in a club, so you will want to do it "right."

Last edited by thebitman (Dec 13, 2013 1:10 am)

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thebitman wrote:

I have a lot of experience with nightmare crowds and bad scenarios (dead batteries, drinks spilling, mad/angry venue owners, haters on chipmusic/electronic music in general).

I wanna hear bitman nightmare story time.

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Dire Hit wrote:
thebitman wrote:

I have a lot of experience with nightmare crowds and bad scenarios (dead batteries, drinks spilling, mad/angry venue owners, haters on chipmusic/electronic music in general).

I wanna hear bitman nightmare story time.

I don't have time to write about every gig ever but 2.

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Florida

If its along the lines of this then I think your set

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detroit

yo, bitman. you got a sparknotes for that shit ?

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barbeque wrote:

yo, bitman. you got a sparknotes for that shit ?

tl;dr Knife City or gtfo

EDIT: My Sparknotes look like this

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Not to be a huge downer/dick.. but if you have to ask this, you are most likely not prepared to play an LSDJ set (especially of your own tunes) to a nightclub crowd

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boaconstructor wrote:

Not to be a huge downer/dick.. but if you have to ask this, you are most likely not prepared to play an LSDJ set (especially of your own tunes) to a nightclub crowd

yeah, as a guy who frequents a lot of clubs in SD, boa's pretty much got it.

think of it this way: imagine the bro-iest, douche-iest dude you've ever met. he doesn't even care about music, really. now imagine that you have to convince him that your music is cool SIMPLY BY PLAYING IT. you have five seconds.

oh btw all his friends are drunk and not really listening to you

if the answer to "could I do that?" is no, then you have a LOT of work to do.

and I'm not saying this to disparage clubs or anything, because I like dance music, but it's a pretty brutal scene. as far as they're concerned, you're just another DJ, and if you can't get people buying drinks in like 10 miinutes, you're done, and they'll get their resident DJ to cover your slot in 10 seconds

EDIT: I don't think that anyone's ever really done an LSDJ-only club set, honestly. LSDJ + DAW, sure, but never just LSDJ.

my girlfriend added another good point -- clubs don't really "bill" artists in the way that venues do. if you're playing a club to get your name out there, you'll have to play a LOT of gigs just to get your name in 10 pt. font at the bottom of a flyer. clubs only really advertise headliners, and everyone else isn't really worth advertising because again, the average club goer doesn't really care about music, and again, you're just another DJ to them.

Last edited by spacetownsavior (Dec 13, 2013 5:21 am)

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Taichung, Taiwan

If you want to play an LSDJ set in a nightclub, your best bet is to move to Europe.

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EDIT: I don't think that anyone's ever really done an LSDJ-only club set, honestly. LSDJ + DAW, sure, but never just LSDJ.

*raises hand*

Bar an hour out of town did a VGM dance party event. Bar was in a sleazy part of town and had a terrible reputation. They forgot to promote the event. Speakers on left side of club were blown out. It was on a Monday night. And it rained.

Doors opened at 8 PM. I spun for two hours, the first people showed up at 9. I was playing house and dubstep, other guys did VGM remixes. Only 4 people showed up for the event and said they were there for it. Everyone else was the normal Monday crowd (rough people).

The 25 people total who showed up (6 of them being staff + 1 police officer) did not dance. Not a single person moved, for the most part. Aside from the one dude who drove 3 hours from Atlanta and had those glowing finger LED's, bitching about how bad the event was. And did I mention he was the only cosplayer there? Dressed up as Naruto. A Naruto who tried to Melbourne shuffle all night but couldn't.

It was a terrible gig, the DJs playing with me got stiffed, one of them ended up helping pay for my gas which was really nice. Drove home at 4 AM, went to class at 7 AM.

My set was mostly 2xLSDJ, and it was nearly an hour (2AM-3AM, at peak listenership of 20 people). One girl bobbed her head to my Pon Pon Pon cover. That was it. I never did business with that club after that gig, and that was back in February.

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we might have different expectations about what a nightclub is! in san diego, there's a REALLY BIG difference between what clubs are and what bars are, so I might just have a skewed viewpoint. the clubs I go to are super hardcore about getting people drunk and laid, and would never throw a themed event that didn't cater to the clientele that frequented the venue.

I'm not disagreeing with you though -- I wouldn't really want to play a gig at a real nightclub, and my real point is just that if your goal is to play a nightclub, be prepared to deal with both an audience that doesn't care and a booking staff that thinks of you as a disposable resource, for almost zero pay and zero "exposure." sad