plgDavid; yea - spot on there, it is work in progress tho - will be interesting to see where they take it next :-)
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akira^8GB wrote:And what is the advantage of the Rob Hubbard player compared to any of the more modern solutions already available?
Same reason Deadman used Tim Follin's driver for a few tracks I guess. All custom drivers have their little quirks that make them unmistakable. Hubbard's one is interesting because it's in the generation before wave tables became the norm. So the instruments are defined more like a patch on a keyboard than the way we usually do them these days. Also, as much as people try to emulate it, only Hubbard's player sounds like Hubbard's player. There's something about the gating of that bass sound (heard in Crazy Comets & Commando) , the portamento fx slide in Monty on the Run's intro, and those Tom sounds are total trademark Rob Hubbard. While you could log the settings to the sounds only Hubbard's player in it's pre-hard restart glory is going to have those little instrument breakups where sounds don't play exactly right each time. Thinking about it, some of those are to do with how the note data is stored in the driver, it'll be interesting to see if he handles those.
Sorry, I went off on a driver rant there.
I started this about 3 years ago, I took a documented replay and converted it to C and hooked it up to a SID engine. This was mainly for my own amusement as I wanted to know how SID replays worked, so job done and It's sat on my HD for a few years. I've recently ressurected it as I was researching how to do drum synthesis and I got to thinking that Crazy Comets had drums, and they werent digi drums.... so I fixed up the replay to fix that and see how they worked.
A bit more tinkering and I had a ripper that could detect a good few tunes, not all of them work mind. So then I got to thinking... Hubbard Replay + Editor = Hubbard Editor... So on new years eve I did a bit of drunken coding and dropped it into 8bitbubsys Protracker.
To be perfectly honest, there is no real point to this other than to disect the tunes to see how they worked... I'm not really sure where I'm going with this... If I fix it to make all tunes work then it requires a rewrite of the C64 replay and as I understand it, things have moved on since the Hubbard days 
But still, I think its kinda neat and I shall probably keep pushing it further when I have a bit of free time here and there. If there is any interest please let me know, it will give me a bit of encouragement to get it done.
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plgDavid wrote:
Hum
Is it me or the translation is wrong. listen to commando for the most obvious out of place spikes.
Interresting development nonetheless. I guess it depends on the SID playing core used as well.
I have a bug where if I comment one line in on the note trigger either the drums dont work in CC but Commando sounds fine and vice versa.
I left it in this way cos Crazy Comets plays ok.
Looking at my code, it seems ive translated that bit of the 6502 wrong and I've still not completely figured it out... I probably need to single step it in VICE or something like that.
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ne7 wrote:
erm... its just using the Protracker SDL port - possibly with a view to making an editor for Rob's replay.
the dude has managed to reverse rob hubbard's replay and make it readable as notedata already...
I have note data and fx, im just not rendering everything at the moment. This really is a couple of hours work (read:hack) to drop it into PT.
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neilbaldwin wrote:
Yes OSX driver for HardSID would rule but I don't think it's going to happen.
The guy doing the devices refuses to for some reasons.. but there could be some hacker somewhere able to sniff the USB comms on a PC and recreate a driver on OSX... (I wish I had the time and knowledge to do it... )
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logikstate wrote:
I left it in this way cos Crazy Comets plays ok.
Looking at my code, it seems ive translated that bit of the 6502 wrong and I've still not completely figured it out... I probably need to single step it in VICE or something like that.
I've done a SID register -> MIDI converter for chipsounds, in which i just hacked VICE to spew out the register writes with exact timing (http://ploguechipsounds.blogspot.com/20 … m-all.html) Then i import it in my app and convert.
so please believe me if i say i understand the situation
Its really hard to make a converter that works for each possible case with a fixed set of rules.
Its easy to lose some data along the way. Rob's stuff is intricate.
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plgDavid wrote:
logikstate wrote:I left it in this way cos Crazy Comets plays ok.
Looking at my code, it seems ive translated that bit of the 6502 wrong and I've still not completely figured it out... I probably need to single step it in VICE or something like that.
I've done a SID register -> MIDI converter for chipsounds, in which i just hacked VICE to spew out the register writes with exact timing (http://ploguechipsounds.blogspot.com/20 … m-all.html) Then i import it in my app and convert.
so please believe me if i say i understand the situation
Its really hard to make a converter that works for each possible case with a fixed set of rules.
Its easy to lose some data along the way. Rob's stuff is intricate.
For sure, pretty much all the songs in the video are using the same basic replay. Rob tweaked some of the parameters on some of the fx though. I've not been through each replay with a fine toothcomb though, hence at least 1fx on Comets not working and Thing on a spring fx not working. The toms in Monty sound a bit off too, they were working fine so thats probably due to the same bug that is causing Commando to not work properly.
Not sure how much time I have for this now, it was fun in the Christmas break but I'm slowly getting drawn into "proper work". i.e "stuff that pays money"
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goonzy wrote:
neilbaldwin wrote:Yes OSX driver for HardSID would rule but I don't think it's going to happen.
The guy doing the devices refuses to for some reasons.. but there could be some hacker somewhere able to sniff the USB comms on a PC and recreate a driver on OSX... (I wish I had the time and knowledge to do it...
To be fair, I did have an email conversation with him about this last year and he did explain the reasons why, which I remember as being reasonable (though don't ask me to remember!). Still doesn't stop me sulking about it though.
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goonzy wrote:
neilbaldwin wrote:Yes OSX driver for HardSID would rule but I don't think it's going to happen.
The guy doing the devices refuses to for some reasons.. but there could be some hacker somewhere able to sniff the USB comms on a PC and recreate a driver on OSX... (I wish I had the time and knowledge to do it...
To be fair, I did have an email conversation with him about this last year and he did explain the reasons why, which I remember as being reasonable (though don't ask me to remember!). Still doesn't stop me sulking about it though.
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logikstate wrote:
ne7 wrote:erm... its just using the Protracker SDL port - possibly with a view to making an editor for Rob's replay.
the dude has managed to reverse rob hubbard's replay and make it readable as notedata already...
I have note data and fx, im just not rendering everything at the moment. This really is a couple of hours work (read:hack) to drop it into PT.
Nice stuff! - I think its a rather fab idea btw - even if just to poke around / tinker inside those old tracks :-)
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Another video here of the editor/ripper loading some demoscene songs that used Rob's replay.
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What's up with this?
Apart form both videos getting removed.
Necroposting FTW
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It's on the back burner till I get time to finish it, I had to remove the videos as they were posted on a YouTube account associated with my commercial work.
More videos this year sometime along with a working editor, when time permits of course.
Watch this space!