boomlinde
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poke: Thanks for the offer! I'm having second thoughts now that I have the chance, though smile

I'll have to go and plug MuSICA again, here. It ought to work on any machine with 64k of RAM, and it supports the use of SCC, FM-PAC and the internal PSG at the same time. That's a lot of chip flexibility for the <$100 you're going to have to pay for a full setup. The downside for many people is that it's MML, but it's definitely one of the simpler variants, and as far as I know, no tracker does this (SCC+FM+PSG).

Anyway, my tip is to test everything in blueMSX if you don't have it. Almost all hardware (including the Moonsound) mentioned here is emulated (the Franky will soon also be supported).

EDIT: Don't forget that you can also compose music in Vortex Tracker for the MSX!

Last edited by boomlinde (Jan 19, 2010 12:33 pm)

akira^8GB
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arlen wrote:

SCC sounds cool. do you need a special pack to make tunes for SCC?

Just curious tongue

You need to hack an SCC cartridge to use it



I think I want one of those one chip MSXes now, how much do they cost?
Is the FM and SCC emulated or real?

Last edited by akira^8GB (Jan 19, 2010 12:56 pm)

alex_mauer
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poke-1,170 wrote:

there are a lot of msx composers, most of them seem to be from Holland. some msx composers:

poke you forgot me sad

my cd "9999" has 4 MSX-MUSIC FM songs and 5 SCC songs on it - heres a preview... tho i think you already probably heard this, poke

http://headlessbarbie.com/dl/27%20Century%20I.mp3

i used SCC Blaffer NT for this... and i use Oracle for FM - i'll have to learn musica next time i work w/ MSX

arlen
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I'm definitely gonna have a look at Musica.

Oh, and I remember looking at one chip MSX's before, they were like $500 or something. It was insane.

poke-1,170
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Eanske, Holland

Yeah the ocm is a new device. Everything in it is emulated hardware,
it is the one chip msx after all. And most msx2s with a diskdrive
cost 25 euros usually. Scc+psg+fm= oracle (tracker)
and indeed, alex smile i had a post about the 9999 cd
made but switched between iphone apps before posting hmm
bluemsx doesnt always emulate sound properly,
adsm parameters often fuck up if i compare mb songs
with the original ones i made.
Oh yeah i forgot to mention the music module has midi
in/out/thru, built in sampler, line in and mike in and AM. Only reason
fmpac was favoured at the time was because of the built in sram,
allowing you to make savegames with games that supported it.

Last edited by poke-1,170 (Jan 19, 2010 10:13 pm)

poke-1,170
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there's a nice little msx player called MMP by the way, by freddy groen.
I can't find it on his site anymore, only his KSS player (konami soundfiles).
it's a little standalone player with about 50 or so msx tunes in it, lots of
konami SCC ones (including mg 2: solid snake and sd snatcher), some PSG
tunes (astro marine corps, venom strikes back, auf wiedersehen monty etc.)
then a whole bunch of FMPAC ones by microcabin, illusion city, xak, princess
maker, thexder 2: firehawk and what not.
If someone has some ftp space to dump it on, I'll gladly upload it for those interested.

poke-1,170
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ok here goes:  http://8bitcollective.com/music/poke-1% … n+OWL+%21/

to be recorded properly sometime soon. and it needs some fixes because of voice changes
and gotta finish the reprise.

boomlinde
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Sweden

I can't try this right now, but is this it? http://www.xs4all.nl/~fgroen/mmp/

I'll have a listen to your song tomorrow!

poke-1,170
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ah yes smile that's it ! Didn't search thoroughly enough, obviously tongue
yesssssir !

Theta_Frost
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Milwaukee, WI

I found a site that would sell me a Philips NMS 8250 for about 50 euros.  It has some minor mods that fix the sound output and have fastrom modification.(?)  Would that be a good deal to get started with MSX music?  I'm really only interested in PSG + SCC, however some FM could be nice but I have other FM solutions.  I'm also excited for Franky support!

akira^8GB
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I will let the C-Men chip in with advice, but that sounds like a good machine.

ant1
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Theta_Frost wrote:

I found a site that would sell me a Philips NMS 8250 for about 50 euros.  It has some minor mods that fix the sound output and have fastrom modification.(?)  Would that be a good deal to get started with MSX music?  I'm really only interested in PSG + SCC, however some FM could be nice but I have other FM solutions.  I'm also excited for Franky support!

Shipping to the US might be pretty painful, quite likely more than the value of the MSX (assuming it's in Europe from the € price), so watch out for that! sad

boomlinde
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I have an 8250 here, and it's great. I'm guessing you found it on Bas' MSX site. As for Franky, you'll probably need a 512kb memory expansion to make the most of it (i.e. load most converted Master System games).

The shipping to Sweden was another €45, so I'm guessing that it'll be hefty to get it outside Europe. I think it was definitely worth the €90 total I paid, though, and I've made a couple of tracks with it already. Along with I bought a $20 USB disk drive for file exchange, €20 FM-PAC and an SCC flash cartridge mainly for games (€60 or so)

Theta_Frost
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Ouch!  Yeah it was Bas' site.  I'm not the biggest fan of its form factor but I'm a case modder so I could work around it.  I'll check shipping...
Where did you get some of your other hardware as well?  (i.e. USB disk drive and SCC flashcart)

Last edited by Theta_Frost (Feb 1, 2010 11:36 pm)

boomlinde
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USB disk drive
SCC flash cart

I think there'll be a whole lot of trouble getting it set up in NTSC-land, too. The monitor connector is either PAL RCA (comparably bad quality) or RGB through a SCART connector (good quality, but as far as I understand SCART is pretty much unheard of over where you are). Then of course you'll have to step the voltage up to 230 V or so.

My idea is that you should check with Japanese or maybe Brazilian sellers (Japanese MSX computers use NTSC and 110 V AFAIK, and maybe Brazilian, too unless they are PAL-M. Check with the amigos on this forum about that!).

About the case, I personally love it!

akira^8GB
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What Boomlinde said is correct. Get a japanese MSX.
BRazilian MSXs are NTSC (Brazil uses both PAL-M and NTSC, also both 110V and 220V)

Look, this is almost the one I have, it's a cool machine (one of my favourite-looking MSXes):
http://cgi.ebay.com/Import-JP-Panasonic … 1241wt_941

There's also a F1A (no disk drive):
http://cgi.ebay.com/MSX-console-PANASON … 45f0a1a083

An MSX1 (I had this one too, it's cool):
http://cgi.ebay.com/MSX-Console-SONY-HB … 45f0a1a096

And if you are rich:
http://cgi.ebay.com/JP-Panasonic-FSA1-G … _877wt_941