Congratulations trash80!  Your opinion has been chosen as one of the 3 finalist opinions.  Please begin concept work for your final opinion submission.
Good luck!  wink

Updated the rules to align as closely as possible to the Graphic Artists Guild guidelines.

EDIT:  Me =\= Greedy Bastard and I think my wife would back me up on that.  tongue

e.s.c. wrote:

I just see nothing wrong with the way you had this set up to begin with. I mean anyone not happy with that could've always just not participated

I'm actually much happier with the idea of making it a two step process.  It'll make it much easier to work with the finalists and then winner to really focus on having a rad-as-fuck image.

KeFF wrote:

I might find some time for this smile

I just saw your Radiograffiti logo.  Niiiiiiiiice!

e.s.c. wrote:

I'd say those guidelines are excessive for this situation and could in theory exclude any and all artists who have released on datathrash..

Since I'm the sole employee of "Datathrash Recordings" and will be the only person judging the entries I don't believe there will be any conflict of interest.

There are artists (music and graphic) receiving money via sales through Datathrash but they are not on any kind of payroll or contract.

OrionOrbit wrote:

Thanks for the graceful response but with all due respect you definitely dont "get what theyre talking about". Because if you did, you would do the right thing and pick a designer you like whos willing to do the work and not waste a bunch of peoples time and make multiple losers to your contest.

I understand your bias, given youre the contest holder but  spec work is spec work, no matter if its at an indie scale or a large corporation.

In regards to the "dramatic and silly statement", I think you misunderstood. How often do you hold a contest to pick a doctor? Or a lawyer? The thought of holding a contest to pick a doctor or a lawyer should be equally as ridiculous as picking a designer but sadly its not. The only reason spec work is so common is because everyone with a computer and Photoshop is a designer nowadays, and the margin is so absurdly low that these contests happen only because theres more designers witth spare time than those who dont. So i hope you understand now that crowdsourcing is nothing like what you said.

Theres certainly a flair of arrogance that goes with these contests. The notion that designers should compete over your work is no different to me than tv shows like "the bachelor". Instead of a contest why not just be like hey guys, looking for some artwork, anyone down? Thats much more in touch with the indie scale youre talking about. If you hadnt presented this as a contest I probably wouldve been willing to participate. Your project looks like fun and I'd be personally interested.

You started your contest and theres people interested (unfortunately) so I wouldnt expect you to close it or anything, I just hope some information reached you and maybe you could go about design work differently in the future.

I did misunderstand that statement.  I read it as "graphic designers are the only creative artists abused by spec work".

Also should have said:  I understand their argument but am not sure I agree.

I'm continuing to read thru the material linked from antispec.  I'll definitely be redefining/clarifying the contest rules to match those listed here (Item Two):  https://www.graphicartistsguild.org/res … petitions/

EDIT:  What would be the current market value for a single image redesign of a logo (essentially what this is)?

OrionOrbit wrote:

http://antispec.com/

That's an interesting read and I get what they're talking about.  However, I don't really see how "crowdsourcing" is different from commissioning someone for a job and then rejecting their work when you're not pleased with it.  If the answer is that a designer would get at least some form of payment from a commission even if their work was rejected then I don't support that at all on the indie level I'm working in.

antispec.com wrote:

What other professions get involved with spec work?

None. Not that I can think of. If you can think of one please do let me know.

That's a dramatic and kind of silly statement.  "Crowdsourcing" is the same thing as running a short story, jingle, video, or any other kind of contest.

No no no!!  Not the Atari version!  That's not right at all!!!

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rs4you wrote:

I discovered these about three weeks ago, and I've averaged a batch every other day since Buy RS Gold then. They are a raw food, vegan treat, so I don't feel guilty. But, no, I can't stop. Can't. Stop. If I hadn't used up all the raisins yesterday, I would have made more tonight.

When I set a plate of eight of these cookies on the table to share with my husband while playing cards last week, I accidentally ate all of them before he had reached for his first cookie. I now set some aside just for him each time I make a Runescape Gold batch. He gets 3; I get 5.

Quoted for hilarity posterity.
Now get in the kitchen and make me a Runescape Gold batch, bitch!

EDIT:  I am also following Heos' blog.  I truly enjoy recommendations from knowledgeable people.

Added "hi rez" scan:

Plenty of time dudes.  Deadline will most likely be March 1st with the winner announced on April 1st for maximum confusion.  tongue

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nitro2k01 wrote:

Or nitpixling! yikes

+1

nitro2k01 wrote:
egr wrote:

Here's my contribution (couldn't decide how to "center" it):

egr: Sorry, but this logo has a couple of problems. (Call me a perfectionist if you will...)
Firstly, you didn't resize the original pixel logo by an even percentage, so the pixels aren't the same size. The third line from the bottom (the tongue of the G) is 11 pixels high but the other pixels are 10 pixels high. And different pixels are different widths. Resize both the width and height by integer values (500%, 600%, 1000%, but not 591% or something like that.)

The second problem is the jaggedness of the shadow which comes from the skew. The double pixels occur at every 6th or 7th pixel, which makes the shadow out of phase with the big pixel height. 45 degrees would obviously give a perfectly diagonal shadow. Of course, that's not what you want. But if you get the pixel ratio of the original logo right, you should be able to skew the shadow by exactly 41.99 degrees for a good result. (That gives you a ratio of 5/6 instead of 51/60 as it is now.)

Math is serious business!

Excellent analysis, nitro!  But I'm sure you realize that it took me longer to read your critique than to make the logo.  big_smile

UPDATE 3/6/12:  Keff has been chosen as the winner, yay!!!  Watch this space for further updates.


UPDATE 2/1/12:  FINALISTS HAVE BEEN CHOSEN!
GO HERE TO SEE SOME EARLY CONCEPT ART:  http://datathrash.tumblr.com/post/16898 … irt-design

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After a long, failed attempt to find the owner/artist of the awesome skull graphic below, I've decided to have a contest to "re-imagine" it as a killer t-shirt design that incorporates the "Datathrash Recordings" name.  Winner gets $100 straight into their PayPal + whatever extras I can come up with before the deadline (CDs, stickers, free downloads, whatever...).  The shirt will be sold through http://datathrash.com as a fund raiser for the label so I can continue to help out the artists and produce cooler physical products.

What you need to do:
Re-imagine the "Microdeal Stereo Master" skull graphic in any format or style you want in the highest resolution you can. 
Must include the words "Datathrash Recordings" in a legible way.

When you need to do it:
Example art, sketches, and concept art will be accepted via [email protected] until February 1st 2012 at which time 3 finalists will be chosen and announced.
The 3 finalists will have until March 1st 2012 to submit further concept art and sketches.
The winning artist will be announced and contacted on April 1st 2012 at which time any additional work for the final image will begin.

Stuff you need to know:
Datathrash Recordings will be given rights to use the winning image as a shirt design to be sold for profit.  No other rights will be granted except at the winning artists discretion.
The final winning image must be made available in Photoshop format (.psd) but examples, sketches, and concept art can be in any format.
All entries will be judged by Arnie Holder, owner/operator of Datathrash Recordings, and will be subject only to personal taste.
The winning artist will recieve $100 (plus extras to be determined) on delivery of the finished image in Photoshop format (.psd).
Datathrash Recordings will not have rights to use any sketches or concept art or example art submitted as part of this contest.
Contest participants are free to share their progress and work during the contest.  In fact, it's encouraged.

This is the graphic, I'll upload a scan of my user manual at some point for better detail:

Here's a scan of my user manual, probably the best quality image I can get:

megabeep wrote:

egr: Done. It's not much, but every bit helps right? Also, let me know if you're promoting anything new for datathrash records, i'll give you  a news plug.

Will do!