You're doing something wrong.

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(23 replies, posted in Audio Production)

Fudgers wrote:

when I'm mixing an album that I know will be mastered by a different engineer I'll use very little, if any, master buss compression and EQ (i like to mix with a little bit of a high end bump on the master, but i usually take that off by the end). i feel like mastering engineers can be pretty heavy-handed while compressing to a desired loudness. I'd rather an engineer with nicer, more transparent gear handle the master buss processing than myself as the mix engineer..

Aye. I pretty much work the same way. Except for some recording compression on overly dynamic instruments, I don't have anything on the master bus except some very steep shelves in the extreme lows and highs. I'm a firm believer that a mix should stand on its own without the apparent need for any more work.

I only do mastering once I have an album's worth of music. Load it all up into Cubase, load each channels with my favorite eqs and comps and leave them flat. After normalizing everything at -3db, I switch between all tracks to see if anything jumps out at me like "sweet baby jeebus track 3 is all mids compared to the rest". Once that fixed and everything pretty much sounds even, I start making everything bigger, better, faster, with cool flame decals and spinner mags and short shorts. Once I got a first master album, I listen to it non-stop for a day in the background while I do something else. Eventually something will jump at me... "arf.. this part here has boomy bass" etc etc. I take notes of all that and do a second pass to fix these problems. Rinse and repeat a few times until I think I've done the best I can.

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(23 replies, posted in Audio Production)

Giving what the artist wants in terms of sound is the mixing engineer's work. People these days confuse the words "master mix" and "mastering". Mixing a song and maximizing its potential is done at the mix level, not mastering. This produces a master mix, which people have come to call a "master", then the internet happened and people are now confused between the two. Mastering is not a per-song process, it's an album process. Any time a guy offers "mastering per song" you can bet your ass it's a guy who will just run your stuff through a compressor and some EQ and give you a bombastic track. That has nothing to do with actual mastering. Mastering compression should be almost imperceptible. If there's something that requires extreme work in the track, then the mix is bad and mastering can do nothing about that in 99% of all cases. For example.. the muddy snare in that Jentu track. You cleaned it up nice via EQ, but there's so much going on in the same area of the mids in that track that the the rest of the mids are screwed up, square wave now overpowers the rest by a mile and the pads are brittle. This track needs to be sent back to the mixing stage first, and your work on it will only makes it sound worst even if you have the best intentions.

Again, mastering is an album process. Get 10 different tracks mastered individually, trying to correct mix mistakes, and you end up with an album that's uneven and all over the place.

A lot of electronic music doesn't have much dynamics to begin with, so there's not a lot to preserve. Whether you maximize at 0db or -0.5db is of very little consequence since the music is so undynamic from the get go. Me talking about your master being damn near 0db wasn't something about dynamics, it was to say that it screws up perception when compared with a -10db source. As far as my ear can tell from a youtube stream, you didn't go crazy on squashing compression or anything. I really just meant that it's close to impossible to tell if you made the track better if we get a 10db jump between A and B unless we ride the fader.

Justice in my favorite album of theirs, but I don't think it sold 8 millions on sound quality smile It sold that much because it's just fucking great tunes. If music sold on production quality, jazz quartets would be all the rage right now tongue Also.. I meant bass levels as in.. the volume of the actual instrument, not as in 'low end'. Justice has a plenty of low end, it's just on the wrong instrument. Ulrich didn't make that decision on sound preference, he made that decision on him hating Newsted. The whole bassgate debacle is pretty well documented. Ulrich has even come out many times speaking disfavorably about the mix on Justice. What I meant by that is that giving what the artist wants is by no means a measure for good sound. If you've ever been with a band trying to do a mix down you know what I mean. Each of the fuckers wants to have their shit sit front and center in the mix and bury the other guys so far down that they'll appear on the B side. Justice is terribly, terribly mixed. Amazing album.. but terrible mix nonetheless. Not that the shitty 'and justice for jason' fixed anything though smile

132

(23 replies, posted in Audio Production)

BRKOUT wrote:
n00bstar wrote:

No offense, but that's one hell of a shit mastering job.

I think your entitled to your opinion, but do you have a technical reasoning to why you'd make a comment like that.?

I think it's a fair master that brings the track out in the way the artist asked for and when compared to digital mastering services like Landr or someone doing it themselves it allows the track to stand on it's own.

To be fair to anyone reading this you need to explain your comment..?

Well to begin with, presenting your work with a comparison between a -10db source and a damn-near 0db master is misleading as all hell. Louder volumes invariable screw the listener into thinking there's been a positive change. Both should be presented at the same relative loudness if you want people to judge the quality of your work. Makes me think you're either trying the oldest trick in the book of bad mastering by making your version so much louder than the source, or that you have actually started working on mastering without normalizing your source first. In either case, not a good sign. You should also have presented the exact same clips instead of flipping the switch mid-track.

As for the mastering itself. Overpowering mids and highs, and weak lows. Just riding the volume fader between the two parts to make them sensibly the same loudness will reveal that the original to have a much better balance between frequencies. It has some mixing problems, like the muddy snare, some annoying frequencies in the organ-ish sound, and the reverb (or release?) on the voice-like pad is a bit too strong but is still overall better than the second part. It's a mid-aggressive result and can't be listened to at relatively high volumes because the square wave and snare will come out and punch you in the teeth before any of the background comes up to support it.

The problems with the original should be fixed at the mix level. Mastering is a subtle thing that is meant to polish a good mix to a high gloss, not change it from day to night or fix mixing problems that shouldn't be addressed by mastering.

It's all good if the artist that commissioned the work is happy with the result. But yknow.. Lars Ulrich was happy with the bass levels on Justice For All......just saying.

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(23 replies, posted in Audio Production)

No offense, but that's one hell of a shit mastering job.

Volume is fine. Don't be one of those.

135

(23 replies, posted in Audio Production)

BRKOUT wrote:

Surprisingly. People didn't really take me up on this offer. Two artist emailed me out of the 400+ who viewed it.

That's because everybody thinks they know what mastering is and can do it themselves. In my experience, 99% of artists can't do proper mastering, and 99% of the 1% remaining can't either. People cannot be trusted around compressors and EQs.

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(7 replies, posted in Releases)

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137

(23 replies, posted in General Discussion)

Very good replies so far! Some answers were totally expected, some are very not that thing I just said. Keep them coming smile

138

(23 replies, posted in General Discussion)

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As an artist:
1) Do you see any inherent worth to releasing your music through a netlabel?
2) What are the three most important things you look for in a label?
3) What are the top three labels on which you'd like to have your music and why?
4) What is the percentage of the money you think should go to the label?
5) What services should the label offer? (art, mastering, physical CDs etc etc)
6) Your feelings on exclusivity and copyrights?


As a customer
1) What, if any, influence does a label has on your purchasing habits?
2) Do you prefer to buy directly from an artist, or through a label?
3) What are you top three favorite labels and why?
4) What would you consider a appropriate price range for chiptune albums?
5) Does the storefront (bandcamp, custom website, etc) influence your purchases?
6) Your opinion on physical copies? (cd, tape, vinyl, etc)
7) Your opinion on merch? (tshirts, stickers, garter belts, etc)

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