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so, i got a compaq armada 1700 and, as far as i know, it has a soundblaster-compatible opl3-chip inside.
i am not so into the adLib tracker for MS-DOS, so i wonder if there is any option for windows95/98 to rock the good ol' FM-chip properly? smile
any proper sequencer or (tracker-)software for opl3-MIDI control?

thanks for your attention.

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Planet Zaxxon

Yes, the 1700 has a SB16 compatible soundchip, but you gotsta run dos!! smile

There is a windows executable I believe in the AT2 download zip, and you "can" run it in windows. But it is just not as stable in windows that it is in MS-DOS. I have run into scrolling problems, and graphics issues. Or do you mean another opl3 tracker altogether, that you can run in windows 98 ? Because I am not aware of any true OPL3 trackers that can run in 95/98...

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Planet Zaxxon

And I think the only way you can get MIDI capable OPL3, is to build one of the those MIDIBOX FM things:

http://www.ucapps.de/midibox_fm.html

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You cant set the opl3 as a midi output device in windows 3.1 or something? Youd have to run a seqeuncer on windows a s ago between but maybe?

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Planet Zaxxon

windows 3.1 !! yikers !!

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hamburg, germany

thanks.

well, i was thinking more about a kinda 'sequencer-like' (oldschool cubase?!) solution.
something i can record MIDI-sequences with AND get them played by the internal opl3 synth...

i know that the AdLib Tracker for ms-dos has a MIDI-option, but on the other hand i don't have a mpu401-gameport / MIDI-input on the compaq armada. : /

ok, more precisely :
i am searching for 'something' that lets me use the compaq armada (and his opl3-chip) as a kind of 'MIDI soundmodule'.
is there ANYTHING like this?!
(...maybe for linux?)

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Planet Zaxxon

What you are asking for would be fantastical and I would be into it as well. ha. But as for using the armada as a module, I have never come across anything in my travels/research that makes it capable to do so. 

But the 1700 has a serial or a parallel port right? Because you can get a 1in/1out midi device like MIDISPORT or something. I have done that on my armada, used a parallel midi device, and was able to access midi in and midi out with IMPULSE TRACKER. So i know those sound cards are capable of doing that at least. It has some sort of MPU401 emulation or on board mpu or something on the card itself. With impulse, when you switch the sound card to MPU401, it lets you use the internal general midi sounds inside the tracker too...

But I dont think AT2 has that midi feature yet? I remember talking the creator about it, and he said MIDI would be out of the question and he is done with the program, unless someone else takes over AT2 and codes it all to be midi capable. And most likely, it would just be note on , note off... Unless someone wants to sit there and code all the OPL3 parameters that AT2 can access to CC numbers.. Ok go right ahead !!! smile

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hamburg, germany

hehe, a compaq armada MIDI-soundmodule... would be indeed exactly what i am searching for to play live with. smile

but thanks for mentioning the impulse tracker option...
sounds interesting and maybe come close to what i am thinking of (at least for studio and for composing oldschool tunes at home) .
just have to find an old midi interface somewhere on ebay or somewhere else...

well, for the full MIDI blast i think i need to build myself the FM midibox...
...or pay someone skilled doing this for me, because technically i am pretty ungifted... lol. smile

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Praha, Czech republic

Well, I kinda made this

The TODO list for this thing is long as fuck, and I usually don't like to release stuff I think could be improved, but seeing as a new version of this would probably mean a complete rewrite (I don't even like the source code structure anymore), and you'd like to use MIDI with OPL2/3, I might just as well release this, if you'd like. :]

The program was primarily intended for live playing on a keyboard, but then I thought it might be neat to be able to control it via MIDI, later adding a "MIDI exclusive mode" that acts as a 16-channel synthesizer. I was just about to implement instrument patches, they even work in keyboard mode, but as of now, everything is controlled with CCs.
Also no 4op mode, not even planning on doing that. Would probably require a proper channel management.

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hamburg, germany

this looks pretty cool, kvee!
thumbs up!

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Praha, Czech republic

So, here it is:
http://software.kvee.cz/opl_plr/opl_plr_r00.7z

Consider this a very informal release, as I said, I'd rather rewrite this before releasing it, but I know myself and I'm certain that would take an insane amount of waiting, perhaps I'd never actually do it. So here is my current "WIP" version, it's usable and I didn't really encounter any problems with it.
Bug reports are welcome (PM me).

If there's gonna be a new version, it's most likely be said total rewrite, as the codebase could really use it. Anything else is just adding more stuff on top of this very big single .C file.

The "license" is: if you make a tune with this, let me hear it :]

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New York City

Well now this brings the question: where the hell do I get a serial MIDI interface for PC? Any recommended models I should search for?

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Gosford, Australia

No idea where you'd get one in 2013, but I had one of these lying around my house forever and apparently they work pretty well! I think I threw it out during a spring clean, otherwise I'd let you have it for the cost of shipping (or less haha).

This sort of gear is well before my time though and I never had any first hand experience with it.

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Praha, Czech republic

I'm using one of those gameport<->MIDI cables that nula gave me. I'd suggest doing the same, if your soundcard has a gameport.
Works right out of the box for me.

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Planet Zaxxon
akira^8GB wrote:

Well now this brings the question: where the hell do I get a serial MIDI interface for PC? Any recommended models I should search for?

Check my other stickied post yo about MS-DOS music making... Some of us have the Portman PC/S or PC/P (parallel), they seem to be the ones that are easier to find.

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kvee wrote:

I'm using one of those gameport<->MIDI cables that nula gave me. I'd suggest doing the same, if your soundcard has a gameport.
Works right out of the box for me.

Not game for laptops like mine (Libretto). Also, serial MIDI is superior.
Thanks for the names O2, I'm gonna try and look one up. It seems I can only find those Macman ones for Macintosh which, although serial, have an ADB plug and I doubt there's an adapter.