yeah honestly who wants to hear a 21 measure phrase till it repeats? Unless you're meshuggah or something
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BR1GHT PR1MATE wrote:
this is exactly the stuff i was talking about... le sigh
BR1GHT PR1MATE wrote:i think people love talking about time signatures because they think it's like some arcane classical music science or something
hey i had a disclaimer! if it isn't musical, don't do it at all IMO. I loathe overly technical music for the sake of technicality. With my example, I can tell you right now that Dino and the guys don't even think of it this way (by the numbers), they all just write music and then count it after the fact. I'm just saying that if I didn't break it down into sections like that myself, learning how to play stuff like that would be tough!
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yeah. I was just saying it could be done, wasn't exactly being literal there, just TRYING to give somewhat of a template for running some tests and making some new things, instead of the same 4/4 vidyoogaemmetal shizzzzzzzz
Sometimes I just get bored and run experiments.
If you don't try new things you never get anywhere in the universe 
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I only listen to music in the key of S
also, metal still sucks
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Actually, those suggestions you gave are a VERY tech metal thing to do, hence the Meshuggah reference
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random thoughts at 3am:
* back in bach's day, for some reason "Bb" was called "H", so you could, if you wanted to, only listen to songs in the key of H.
* TONS of pop music is written in odd or compound meter, from beatles to soundgarden, zepplin, red hot chili peppers, sting, peter gabriel. so its not just guys with pointed ibanez guitars counting in their head while palm-muting.
* odd meters in western music came from hungarian / bulgarian folk dances and were popularized by brahms
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also, id say if anyone wants a master class in musical / badass uses for odd meters, Mussorgsky's "Pictures at an Exhibition" is it.
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and those are some random opinions and facts from me at 3:20am
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BR1GHT PR1MATE wrote:
* TONS of pop music is written in odd or compound meter, from beatles to soundgarden, zepplin, red hot chili peppers, sting, peter gabriel. so its not just guys with pointed ibanez guitars counting in their head while palm-muting.
Yes! Thank you! I still think you can have super interesting rhythms within just straight 4/4 and no 'omg polyrhythms' needed. Just keep the syncopation interesting and don't ignore the pulse.
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My latest release has a four-part set of prime number time signatures (3, 5, 7 and 11/4). I've used odd time on my first EP as well with a couple tracks in compound signatures and 7/4.
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danimal cannon wrote:
lol syncing up 7/4 and 15/16 is the worst idea I've ever heard.
just tried this - he's right
trying to add 3/16 and then resolve to 4/4 makes it worse
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an0va wrote:
BR1GHT PR1MATE wrote:* TONS of pop music is written in odd or compound meter, from beatles to soundgarden, zepplin, red hot chili peppers, sting, peter gabriel. so its not just guys with pointed ibanez guitars counting in their head while palm-muting.
Yes! Thank you! I still think you can have super interesting rhythms within just straight 4/4 and no 'omg polyrhythms' needed. Just keep the syncopation interesting and don't ignore the pulse.
I agree! but, I'm not sure from your wording whether the comment about syncopation in 4/4 was a separate thought, or you assumed that I meant that these pop music examples were using that method in lieu of straight up using a balls out odd meter. because all these pop examples are notated in 11/8, 7/8, 5/8, 7/4, and some even weirder!
I just want to give writing props where they are due
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an0va wrote:
yeah honestly who wants to hear a 21 measure phrase till it repeats? Unless you're meshuggah or something
The irony is that 90% of Meshuggahs stuff is in 4/4.
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danimal cannon wrote:
an0va wrote:yeah honestly who wants to hear a 21 measure phrase till it repeats? Unless you're meshuggah or something
The irony is that 90% of Meshuggahs stuff is in 4/4.
i havent seen any of their stuff written out, but that makes a lot of sense given how polymetric their music is. the last thing you would want is arbitrary bar lines messing things up. you would need a steady pulse to "feel".
i think the most egregious time signature abuser hands down is Tool. I love the results they get, but the notation is absolutely hilarious
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