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i find that the listener gets the best experience if the music volume is all the way down. the best part is  that by doing so you avoid all chances of clipping and spikes. silence is the new loud.

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roboctopus wrote:

Are there any good articles someone can recommend on this subject?

Mastering Audio by Bob Katz - all you ever need to know.

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Brunswick, GA USA

Google "loudness war"

Also if your master is at -INF you don't have to worry about your music offending anyone, or SoundCloud ruining your tune's epic entrance by showing the peaks (since the waveform will look like a line.)

Seriously though, the volume column is there for a reason, so don't forget to use it!

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There some things you can now "forget" as they were due to mechanical limitations of recording medias. Now there's only a a small amount of chance that your tracks will end on vinyl for example.. so you can boost a bit.. But the "squared" curve of over Compressed/Brickwalled tracks is definitely annoying (and bad for your ears too smile)

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wedanced wrote:

i find that the listener gets the best experience if the music volume is all the way down. the best part is  that by doing so you avoid all chances of clipping and spikes. silence is the new loud.

The listener gets the best experience when your track plays and he doesn't think about mixing or mastering whatsoever.  Mastering should be transparent, meaning, if they need to adjust their settings, or raise the volume, thats taking away focus from your COMPOSITION.

I master my songs so that if they're on a mix CD, or playlist, or car stereo or whatever, they fit in without any sort of jolt.  I also master them so the bass is sexy.  By the grace of god, LSDJ sounds huge enough on its own (provided your sound design is good) that you really only need to give it a tiny bit of love during mastering.  It's surprising really.  The complete lack of offensive high end frequencies helps immensely.

Here's the difference between my raw track and the mastered track.  I alternate back and forth.  What sounds better to you?

http://www.armcannon.com/danimal/danima … asters.mp3

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danimal cannon wrote:
wedanced wrote:

i find that the listener gets the best experience if the music volume is all the way down. the best part is  that by doing so you avoid all chances of clipping and spikes. silence is the new loud.

The listener gets the best experience when your track plays and he doesn't think about mixing or mastering whatsoever.  Mastering should be transparent, meaning, if they need to adjust their settings, or raise the volume, thats taking away focus from your COMPOSITION.

Word. In fact, I've noticed sometimes over-attention to dynamic range can be really annoying sometimes. I notice this especially in early Genesis records where the dynamic shifts have me changing volumes constantly and this makes it near IMPOSSIBLE to actively listen while doing something like driving, for instance.


It's like COMEON, i just wanna hear Peter Gabriel sing in crazy outfits!

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Classical music is much better to listen to on the radio because I don't need to play volume jockey.   Personally, I like the most convenient-transparent listening environment so that I can really focus on the content rather than bullshit.

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Thanks for the info everyone.  I might have learned a little bit!  Or, maybe I'm more confused.  Anyway, I'm uploading a track that I've tried some new "mastering" (in quotations because I'm not a master by any means).  Maybe you all can give me feedback?

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If you want your track to sound louder, it's better to use a multiband compressor imo. If you want to make it easy for yourself, try out some mastering plugins like psp vintagewarmer2 and izotope ozone. The former can boost your track quite much in a natural way, and the latter is capable of doing extra mastering tricks like multiband excitement et c.

When you are normalizing your master you want to get rid of unwanted peaks. The track will normalize itself to the highest peak in the track, so it's probably a good idea to put a hard compressor (or limiter) last in the mastering chain.