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the center indeed, the world revolves around me and my time zone. (nice catch on that one, didn't even think about it.)

Here are a few more that may be of interest:

Sabotage Drum machine library (Huge. 214 drum and keyboard samples):
http://warbeats.com/Community/Forums/aft/57

UnitOvOne (Uncut abstract circuit bent stuff):
http://unitovone.com/?p=813

Artfx Sound Effects Sample Pack Vol. 1 (atmospheric, impacts, weird sounds 1gb dl):
http://www.artfx-studios.com/ARTFXv4/mu … s-volume-1

Univox SR-95/ Keio Mini Pops MP-7 Drum Machine (drum machines used on Jean Paul Jarre's Oxygene): [edit: this costs 3.5 GBP, I didn't realized that when I posted it]
http://www.forgottenkeys.co.uk/1_sr95.php

James' Circuit Bent Library:
http://www.illuminatedsounds.com/wp-con … amples.zip

Enjoy!

I absolutely hate and despise chip-jazz. I am generally somewhat queasy about the FM Genesis sound (especially the bass and drums). I like that talky-wav-bass-sound in LSDJ. I like really deep bass sounds in a movie score. I like the sound of turning pages.

Why the "meh"? Isn't this fun?! But at this point I think we've come to the dead end of pure subjectivity. But I will press boldly onward.

Firstly, the "qualities of these [1-bit] tunes" that I don't like are the completed things themselves, the sound. I don't initially listen to music to hear great compositions, but rather the presentation of a composition (a song). I only pay attention (at least specifically or intentionally) to the compositional aspects AFTER the sound, groove, etc.. catches my attention and thus garnishes my approval as "good".

Secondly, A question: didn't classical composers (or modern) notate which instruments would play which part? Such as, a violin concerto or bass section, etc? I don't think I would like Beethoven's Ninth played with guitars (and I like guitars), or at the very least I don't think I would enjoy it as much as the piece performed "as intended" by Ludwig.

Thirdly, if we really want to get into the idea of a composition, is it strictly notation on a page, or could it include which instrument plays which part? Would the "wrong" choice of instrument render the song or the composition "bad"?

Fourthly, I don't doubt that several people truly enjoy 1-bit music for what it is. And further that some of it (I gather Shiru is quite good) is the paradigm of compositional excellence. But, that said, I have a sneaking suspicion that MOST people who enjoy 1-bit tunes do so (at least initially) not for brilliant composition, but rather because of composition embedded in a specific limitation. I think that the whole idea of pointing to compositional value is really an argumentative maneuver, because of the fact that it is extremely difficult (if not impossible) to argue about preferences, used to point to something beyond limitation. For example, "Ha ha, I win, you can't tell me what I don't like, and I like composition. And I like 1-bit BECAUSE of its compositional value."

Fifthly, this is a minor aside but I personally don't consider music as belonging to art. I think it is wonderful and emotive and pretty, and etc. and has artistic elements but that it is not art. It seems more primal to me, something deeper within us as humans, more Dionysian maybe.

Finally, to the people who after reading this thread want to respond "can't we all just get along? We all like the music right?!?!?" I disagree. Conversations like this are the very definition of getting along. Peaceful, thoughtful conversation in the midst of disagreement. And also are the definition of liking music I think, at least in a personal way. Challenging your own ideas about the things you enjoy.

And after a listen to these gems I think my point is even further solidified. The only reason these were mentioned is because you assumed that by virtue of my posting on a chiptune site that I would "get" that these are good songs. When in fact they are not "good" (my apologies Shiru and mr. beep) but rather good FOR being made with 1-bit tools. Again subjectivity rears its head, but:
Would these songs be considered "good" if you found out that they were made with LSDJ? or NL2.3? or DS-10? or a modern DAW such as Ableton? I find that proposition utterly laughable. I really don't think that it is "the sound" in these cases, because honestly they sound like shit (maybe in a punk type of way, but shit regardless). I am not proposing that these songs are bad per se, but rather that the people who appreciate them, appreciate them BECAUSE OF the platform they were made on and BECAUSE OF its limitations and they recognize the skill it takes to coax the semblance of a song out of one. [Sorry if I am coming off as harsh, this is not an attack on primate, shiru, or beep, just expressing my perspective. keep doing that voodoo that you do]

Here's my 2cents:
Really good points raised about limitation in all forms of creative output, but I think really this concept/idea is integral to chiptune, hence the fakebit sucks attitude that is pervasive (by no means universal or even a majority, but it exists definitely [as an aside, a similar thing happens in regards to synths "analog or die"]) or the popularity of 1-bit shit. I am slightly ignorant about this, but has anyone heard a good 1-bit song? Not a cool melody, not an amazing example of economy, but a good song? How many young (ish/er) people like modern jazz? I'll hazard a guess, not many. But you can find several chip-jazz songs/artists that are quite popular, seemingly on the basis of what the song was made on (mainly) and/or the technical aspect behind it. I personally think this whole "scene" is very rarely about the music/songs, but it is strictly defined by the instrument, not the sound, the nostalgia, etc. People will say the sound, and I believe them, but that is not what it's about. I can make square waves, easily and by cheaper methods than a gameboy. Being about the instrument, talk of limitation arises because the whole ethos is about repurposing something. You don't talk about the limitations of a guitar because you aren't using it as a platform to play video games. 99% of the people who use a guitar use it for its intended purpose, not as a paper weight or kindling. The limitation aspect comes about because making music with a gameboy is strictly not its intended purpose. Similar ideas come about in regards to hacking or circuit bending.

3-6 hrs, but I spend a lot more just listening to parts over and over, or listening to the completed thing on the GB before I record it, then listening to it alot on the computer while i tweak with it. A lot of my time is wasted.