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SO THERE

actually... this is probably the best idea yet ;D

Beverage, i nominate you for official chipmusic.org detective ;D

Thanks for the ideas guys, ill look into everything!

now, by marketing *to* venues, do you mean to ask "how do I book" ? because there are some things that can definitely help you out. and others that can really harm your chances.

love it. keep it up son!! i wonder if you could convince chipmusic.org or 8bc to have a link to a webstream up top or something... i feel like this is a big deal and too few people know about it

im totally with CDK and rushcoil.

Here is my obnoxious businessman 101 side: From the web, at this level you need to look at downloads as a marketing tool, not necessarily a product: you want to make it as easy to get people interested in your music as possible. Since there is little or no production costs to you per download, there is no reason not to make listening free for a potentially interested person. That said, including the option to pay for it is easy and not obnoxious to the listener. The idea is to get people to shows, or to be interested in value-added stuff which you DO sell: CDs, LPs, Tshirts, whatever.

Now, at shows, you definitely want to have a physical product of some sort. At the boston8bit show last night, disasterpeace sold like 8 CDs and facundo/jdd3j/cream in all mustache sold out of what they brought. And this is all to "fans"; not scene people at all, cuz' no offense, but scene people are cheap (and as mentioned, totally saturated). We (bright primate that is) have actually been doing REALLY well with selling download cards (from bandcamp, natch) at shows, and have *sold out* our batch of 200 from febuary. We do a "pay what you want" model for the download cards (which look awesome), and people usually pay from anywhere from $5-$20 (seriously) for a DOWNLOAD CARD of music that they know is freely available online (but if they only have a dollar, we'll give it to them for that too)

Now, I'm really passionate about the availability of free music online, but I think that its because we play a lot of shows and are really visible that the model that we use works for us. I can definitely understand how artists that are less inclined to tour would want to use the web as a marketplace instead of a marketing-place, so its damn tricky (especially with people like myself undercutting the market with free shit). So even though I'm high-and-mighty about free music, I never would look down on someone for exclusively selling their music online, provided they aren't being too obnoxious about it, and I think that most people would agree with me on that. We all need to find what works for us I guess.

*edit* Also, i think this thread is far from a shitstorm and has been a great exchange of ideas on how to get stuff out there. thanks too all for good ideas, imma prolly steal some ;D

oh man, boston show was NUTS. amazing times ;D