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(96 replies, posted in General Discussion)

e.s.c. wrote:

doing something thats a creative pursuit ONLY for money would be an example of the wrong reasons...so if the ONLY reason an artist makes music is because they figure its easier than a day job, then fuck them...thats some bullshit...and what ive been saying in this thread is general, not in relation to i fight dragons really, so you can quit jumping back to them

1) You can have artistic integrity AND get paid, they are not mutually exclusive.

2) Your position that "working for money is wrong" is insulting to anyone who holds a paying job.

3) The topic is I Fight Dragons wink

Bonus: If you sit down and think about it, who in their right mind would make music for just the money. Like they hate music, dont listen to music, and here they are making it for a living? It's comedy if you think about it. That scenario., if it actually exists, is very rare I bet. ya know? Everyone who makes music for hire is likely to love music to some degree, or else they wouldnt be a musician, right?

Being hired for music isnt like being hired to flip burgers (no offense Ronald). Not just anyone can crank out a tune the masses will enjoy. So "they" would likely hire someone with a track record of appealing music. Otherwise "they" will lose their investment for sure. Someone who makes music that a large group of people enjoy could only be done by a musician. The musician makes music for pleasure to begin with, not usually because they have to. There are few examples of "forced into music at gunpoint", make sense?

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(96 replies, posted in General Discussion)

e.s.c. wrote:
likeluke wrote:

and just so i'm clear on this: is the general consensus that if you want to be a famous musician, you're doing it for the wrong reasons?

no, not necessarily...
just im saying i think its wrong to assume that its everyone's motivation
i think there are numerous reasons to make music and few of them are anything id consider a "wrong" reason..

What would the wrong reason be?

Band X writes a shit song for the sole purpose of making money. People want band X's music and it makes them happy to hear it, where's the wrong in that?

Band Y does it for money to feed their family and do what they love for a living at the same time. Is that wrong too?

How do you know if either band isn’t actually doing it for both love of the craft and the money? Or just for love of the craft plus they get money by pure happenstance? You dont know,and you will likely never know.

Why does it seem that money = wrong around here in chipsville? We all have day jobs right? We don’t do those jobs for the love of it and especially not for free, right? So why cant IFD do what they love AND get paid for it?

OR Are we all sellouts because we work for pay at our day jobs?

wink

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(96 replies, posted in General Discussion)

Bit Shifter wrote:

God

Seeking attention for the sake of attention is basically the equivalent of seeking fame, and is generally a pretty soulless motivator for musicmaking, and attentive listeners will usually see that a mile off.

Seeking attention as a means to an end – for instance, personal / artistic connection, expression, dialogue, with peers, etc. – is, in my view, not the same thing. The attention isn't what's being actively sought, it's the connection. That to me is a pretty legitimate motivation for musicmaking, and I see it as distinct from the pursuit of attention for attention's sake.

You make a good point (damn you josh!). Of course, I understand most people want a connection with their peers. However, I think people who truly dont want attention and just want a connection are very few. This is based on the marketing being done by the majority of the music community. Also, at the end of the day you are still seeking attention on some level. Doesnt matter which version of attention you are applying for.

I'm not saying either version of attention is write or wrong, I'm just saying what is always there every time you look at the root. Point blank. I'd like to add that no one ever really knows anyone else's true intentions. To judge others as to which version of attention one seeks is mute. 

Art/music is an expression. It can be conceived and enjoyed by the creator alone, no one else ever has to be involved. Because people want to feel connected, they seek out other like minded people. Even to connect with others you still have to to get their attention first.

My point is what does it matter anyway? Who cares? Just make your music. If you wanna share it and/or sell it, great!

Dont shoot the messenger wink

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(96 replies, posted in General Discussion)

Reteris wrote:
8bitweapon wrote:

If you are sharing your work, you are seeking attention. To seek any attention goes beyond "I do it for myself/the music". So whats the difference between seeking attention and seeking fame? It's the same when you get down to the core. smile

I guess it boils down to either you are promoting your art for attention, money, or both.


I have to disagree
It's not attention or fame I want
It's for people to enjoy my music like I enjoy others

Like I always say: If you're here looking for fame and fortune, you're in the wrong scene

That may be so, but if that is truly the case why not be totally anonymous? Post your music somewhere with no reference to you for free. Otherwise, you are seeking attention.

I'm not trying to upset folks, its just I've studied this a long time. When you get to the heart of what is motivating people/artists, this is what you are left with. I'm sure most people are not usually conscious of it either. smile

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(96 replies, posted in General Discussion)

e.s.c. wrote:
8bitweapon wrote:

Most artists (chip or otherwise) are promoting a product to obtain money, fame, or both. Whether you are doing it for money and/or for notoriety makes no difference. Otherwise if you were really "just doing it for the music and/or yourself", you wouldn't post it up in a public place with the intention of being discovered by people and hopefully shared. Because "its not about that" right?

i disagree totally...wanting to share things youve made creatively doesnt mean you are seeking fame or cash, but you may just be a human being trying to express yourself and connect with others

though i suppose this is less common in LA wink

If you are sharing your work, you are seeking attention. To seek any attention goes beyond "I do it for myself/the music". So whats the difference between seeking attention and seeking fame? It's the same when you get down to the core. smile

I guess it boils down to either you are promoting your art for attention, money, or both.

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(96 replies, posted in General Discussion)

Most artists (chip or otherwise) are promoting a product to obtain money, fame, or both. Whether you are doing it for money and/or for notoriety makes no difference. Otherwise if you were really "just doing it for the music and/or yourself", you wouldn't post it up in a public place with the intention of being discovered by people and hopefully shared. Because "its not about that" right?

Once you have posted your "product" in a public place to be seen/heard/etc you have "sold out" as much as anyone else.

wink

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(46 replies, posted in Software & Plug-ins)

But will it work with the T-Pain app at the same time?

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(11 replies, posted in Nintendo Handhelds)

I cant send anyone there willingly.

"It's basically just math. LSDJ's default groove is 6/6, which means each step is six ticks long. the first triplet is for a quarter phrase.

quarter phrase = 24 ticks (4 steps @ 6 ticks per step)
counted as 23 ticks (i'm counting 0 as the first tick because it makes the math easier to understand.)

so the four steps start on ticks 0, 6, 12, and 18.

for triplets at this groove, you need each of the three "steps" to last 8 ticks, which would be 0, 8 and 16.

luckily the delay command also counts in ticks

0 C3 ---
1 C3 D02
2 C3 D04
3 -- ---

check that out, its a triplet

that's because we're starting the first step at 0 ticks, the second step at 6 ticks + 2 delay ticks, and the third step at 12 ticks + 4 delay ticks.

for a half phrase triplet, you're fiting 3 steps into 48 ticks. 48/3 = 16 ticks per "step" . needing a note on ticks 0, 16, and 32. so if we put in

0 C3 ---
1 -- ---
2 C3 D04
3 -- ---
4 -- ---
5 C3 D02
6 -- ---
7 -- ---

we have one note on tick 0, one note on tick 12 + 4 delay ticks, and one note on tick 30 + 2 delay ticks.


incase you actually want to do a full phrase triplet it would be 96 ticks / 3 =  32 ticks per "step", steps needed at 0, 32 and 64

so that would just be

0 C3 ___
1 __ ___
2 __ ___
3 __ ___
4 __ ___
5 C3 D02
6 __ ___
7 __ ___
8 __ ___
9 __ ___
A C3 D04
B __ ___
C __ ___
D __ ___
E __ ___
F __ ___

0, 30 + 2, 60 + 4


here's the formula to remember for "on the go" or "experimentation"

(Ticks x Steps) / 3 = triplet length in ticks" thanx to HandHald Heros

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(11 replies, posted in Nintendo Handhelds)

Found it, thanx!

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(11 replies, posted in Nintendo Handhelds)

iNFOTOXIN wrote:

D command triplets are less hassle surely?

How do you do a "D" command triplet? smile

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(11 replies, posted in Nintendo Handhelds)

I watched "The artist formerly known as PDF"'s youtube on how to do a triplet on lsdj.

However, this just shortens that loop and that loop will no longer sync with the rest of the song...

Any way to correct this?

I did change the groove in the other tracks, but now those parts are shorter no longer sound right. The triplets should conform to the measure, not the other way around!

Thank you in advance!

That image is sooo awesome! Good job!

I think there is software being run by uni's & labs that can identify characteristics that are similar, but yeah, that doesnt mean its gunna be a hit.

And yes, that site is pretty far feetched. lol

OxygenStar wrote:

Whenever you upload a song to that site it goes directly to Timberland's desktop. Then he "samples" it and makes it a "hit."


LOL 10 points for Oxy

akira^8GB wrote:

What a load of bullshit! big_smile

Which is bullshit:

A) the notion that a computer can compare song data to see if it has characteristics of other hit songs or
B) that website? (im guessing this one)

maybe its faster for hits?