w00ts! moar fx!

Say.. while we have you here in a fixing mood. Could you take a look at the chorus at determine why it...er.. clicks/buzzes? It's very discreet and it took me a long while to notice it but the chorus almost always adds some clicks and pops over the sound. Most of the time its not very apparent because the sounds themselves are louder and full of high frequencies, but when you try to apply chorus on a smooth sounds, with a heavy low pass filter and listen to the result in headphones you'll notice.

For example, take a basic triangle wave and LP filter it down to 10 or 20. Apply some chorus to it (phase 40, it'll be even more noticeable) and listen to the instrument in headphones. Dunno what causes it, but its similar to an amplitude click, like when a sample starts on a non-zero value.

On that note... off to try 1232 smile

You could mod it with a "controller" and "video cable" and play games, imagine that.

That 1200 is really out of place in that picture. It really ruins the whole thing. I would be willing to help you get rid of it, yknow, because I'm that kind of nice.

Whoever owns that room. I need the address and a shotgun.

Just to bother you even more.. I found a small bug.

The voices/channels used in the instrument editor for keyjazzing don't reset their pans. If you put like 19FF or 1880 in the program, it will hard pan to the right. Trigger the instrument once, then reset panning by using 1840 and triggering the sound once more. Now remove all panning instructions and keyjazz the same note many times. You'll notice one will eventually play on the right.

I know you hate me, I know.

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SketchMan3 wrote:

don't some rappers release their A Capella tracks specifically for people to do this kind of stuff with?

They're usually released for hip hop DJs for actualy live remixing / turntablism, and they are usually found on the flipside of vinyls. You will very very rarely seen any acapellas released digitally. You'll notice that most of them that you can find around the web aren't being distributed by the actual artist himself. Remixes are a valid form of music, but in the business they are usually commissioned, very rarely does a signed artist give stems and acapellas away for the general public to hack at it. Artists and labels usually want to remain in control of what is getting put out there with their names on it.

Downstate wrote:

Noobstar - i totally disagree. If you want to make rap beats, it doesn't mean you have to rap over them does it ?
What he's done isnt really any different from what any other rap producer does.
They make a beat - they get someone else to rap on it. Albeit some rappers make their own beats and then rap on them - but not most of them. Most rappers have a few producers they work with. But of course a guy in his bedroom makes rap beats and whacks an accappela on them - for the sole reason that he doesn't know any rappers id imagine / I'd rather listen to a beat with a studio accappela on it than some dork trying to rap and being terrible (there are plently of people doing this already).
Technically they are remixes i guess, but i think your comment is a bit pedantic. Its hardly like he is trying to pass of these raps as his own. I could see your point if he'd used small underground rappers and not mentioned it, but come on he's put dre and eminem over it. I think its quite obvious that he's making mash-ups.

There is a world of difference between producing beats for rappers, and constructing a beat around an accapella, I'm sorry you can't see that. The very large majority of producers for hire do not have any vocals on the beats they produce for the express purpose of allowing wanna be rappers to freely rap over the beats and see if they can come up with something good, and if so, buy the rights to the piece of music. In a more profesional arrangement with an established producer and rapper, it works almost the same way where the producer will make a bunch of cool little sketches, empty of vocals so the rapper can pick which he fancies more. Nobody makes a beat, puts a prefab rap track from an established rapper over it to showcase their music to potential partners.

When you do remixes, you never put your name first and you don't rename the song. If you remix Let's Get Dirty by Redman and your own artist name is GasEyes, then the proper respectful way to name your remix is "Redman - Let's Get Dirty (GasEyes Remix)".

For mashups, it is customary to name both sources in the title of the songs used. You also tend to avoid putting your name on those since they are not considered original material from an artist rather than "user made content" . Something along the lines of "Metal Gear / Dangerous Mashup by GasEyes".

If you put your name first, and give a different name to the song, it is assumed you are making a cover version, in which case most of the material in your piece should be original.

You seem to believe I'm being pedantic, but I beg to differ. In a digital world where people have almost free access to professional grade tools and are able to distribute their material on the same channels as professional artists just about any piece of media can be dissected and reused. It is actually a great creative tool that we're being given. In such a situation, I believe that proper etiquette is the only thing keeping people from suing the ever loving shit out of each other for IP/Copyright infringement. If you like two things so much that you want to create a piece of media with it that goes well beyond "fair use" then you should respect these artists in the proper established way.

That's all there is to it. Etiquette.

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I wasn't critiquing you as a person. They're fun little tracks in their own way and you're quite allowed to do whatever the hell you find fun to do. I was just saying that using a complete track almost unchanged is, even by hip hop's loose standards, not generally an accepted practice.

As for using studio gear and software. I know what you mean, it took me years to be able to properly DJ 'on the fly' and not trainwreck the party (and then not do it for years and suck again haha). It takes a lot of practice and many months of being bad at it before you start to get the feel for it. And that's the reason we have doors that lock, and headphones wink But there are a lot of ways to using things like Traktor and Ableton, or whatever it is the cool cats use these days, in a "live" way without having to worry about beatmatching it oldschool with a pick axe and motor oil. The style of music you seem to want to develop lends itself very well to Ableton and something like a Novation Launchpad (https://www.ableton.com/en/products/con … launchpad/)

And if you ever feel you're not doing good.. well then look at this guy and you'll feel like a god: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1FHU6p2Gxw

w00ts! Seems to work great so far. Imma put that on the netbook and go make some music at the park tomorrow.

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Kind of chip music... I mean, it has many elements of chiptunes, but there's a hefty dose of samples too. Early Amiga stuff. Still though, probably one of the best game song ever made in like all of ever, ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiU5RnDvJ2o

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Downstate wrote:

why is it a big no no to use an accappela of 'other rappers' ? Did he ever say he is a rapper ? No. He just said he used to make rap beats.


Well. Hip hop as a genre was pretty much always based around sampling other people's music in small bits, arranging those in a decent groove, and injecting it with a massive dose of soul by rapping over it. The unique element is the rap. Even if today we have producers who make hip hop from scratch without sampling loops from other music, the musical genre still rests upon very minimal and simple music over which you layer a well composed rap. It's not frowned upon to sample a bit of a rap and use it as a hook, just as it's not generally frowned upon to sample bits of and old record and using it as a groove.

But to use an entire vocal track, virtually unchanged save for a few grossly misapplied effects here and there. Well that's just like taking the entire music from Stairway To Heaven and add your own lyrics to it. Would you find that acceptable? Maybe you would... but I daresay the majority of people would not. You could cover the song however. You can have the same chord progression, you can have a similar production, sound, arrangement and whatnot to try and sound exactly like Stairway to Heaven. But that's still YOUR work, albeit of a relatively unimaginative nature. But to use the entire music, sans lyrics, straight from the album, without authorisation from the artist, is a dick move.

So about GasEyes' "music". It's not unlistenable at all. I mean these are basically bits of musics produced by decent musicians, layered with vocal tracks made by talented rappers, synced to a beat (that I wouldn't be surprised to learn is a loop from a library). It's very hard to fail at making it sound decent, seriously. But in the end.. he did nothing original. He pitched and synced a few things together.

Now.. if he was to do all of that LIVE, using a couple of kaoss pads and a turntable... there would be something to it. There's the human element, the chance for error, the improvisational aspect etc. But these obvious studio hacks leave me unimpressed, and somewhat disappointed that someone could call this their own creations. As Glitch said, lawsuit pending.

You can now throw all kinds of insulting retorts at me.

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Using the entire vocal track from other rappers huh? I'd say that's a big no no.

TSC wrote:

I believe half of the protracker screen will be cut off because of the PAL/NTSC difference as well. There are ways around this (I think?) but it's something to keep in mind when using hardware.

On a 1200 you choose pal/ntsc from the boot menu. Hold down the mouse buttons on startup and once in the boot menu, any key should switch between the two modes. On an ECS machine, there's a simple mod with lifting a pin off...errr.. some chip with a girl's name (sorry.. it's been years) and grounding it. I had mine connected to a switch so I could decide between NTSC/PAL at will.

Oh and yeah.. Just download the software and ST-01 and hack at it. It's really not hard to figure out, especially if you have any previous tracker experience.

IIRC 2.3 is the last of the classic ProTracker. And 3.15 is the most stable of the later versions. Be sure to check out StarTrekker too.

*sigh*

I guess you all missed the "If you've never used an Amiga before" part of the recommendation about ClassicWB.

And even if an accelerator won't change dick for ProTracker, it will for Octamed, it will for AudioMaster/Audition and it will for the OS in general.

Glad to see however, that Amiga users haven't changed a bit in all those years. Still cherry picking about ten words in a page-long post just to try and piss farther than someone else smile

W4LKR wrote:

I'm not in the whole Amiga scene, so I have a question.

Like the Gameboy has a flashcart, the C64 has SD driver emulation. What do you need for the Amiga?
What kind of hardware is needed to run a 'new' tracker?


The 600 and 1200 have a 2.5" IDE port so you can directly hook up an HD without any mods. Of course you still need to transfer shit to it. I've tried it all on my 1200 back in the days and the fastest/cheapest way is to buy a 4xEIDE adapter. That will give you 3.5" IDE connectors without having to really mod anything. You can get the ribbon cable out of your Amiga through the PCMCIA slot. You can then hook up a run of the mill CD drive (you'll still need to power it up however, so use an old PC PSU for that). Then all you have to do is burn your shit on CD and transfer that way. I was able to move about 8gb of data from PC to Amiga in about a day using that method.

There are also adapters that will replace the 2.5" IDE connector with a Compact Flash. It's a bit faster and much more silent, but also a bit more expensive.

If you've never used an Amiga before, you can get started quickly with a decently configured OS here: http://classicwb.abime.net/

Some must-have software for music: ProTracker 2.3, ProTracker 3.15, StarTrekker, AudioMaster 3, Audition 4.

There's really no reason to go for anything other than a 1200 these days. Unless you plan on running original games, in which case you'll definitely run into compatibility issues with the older ones. But in this day and age, pretty much every game every made has been ported to WHDLoad and it's really the only way to go unless you're hardcore retro.

It's suggested to get some kind of accelerator for it too if you can find one cheap. The main point isn't really the acceleration you'll get from them as much as the extra ram slots they offer. My last Amiga had 33mb ram running at ~40mhz with a Cobra accelerator.

But, unless you come upon a good deal, this will cost you a fair bit of money. You'll need a decent monitor unless you can shell out even more cash for a decent scandoubler (which are always out of stock....always) cause most software you want to use doesn't display on a VGA screen.

WinUAE is damn near perfect in every aspect and it's the reason why I eventually sold all my Amiga machines. There really is no reason to use old computers for "serious" computing so when all you need is a gaming rig and some old art/music software, emulation is definitely as good as the real thing in 99% of all cases. The 1% being if you want to use hardware like old sound/image digitizers for added authenticity..in which case I say: fuck you hipster, go listen to more skrillexcrement and get another 7$ latté big_smile

Same problem is there. When you mix a generated sine wave with an oscillator, you get distortion. Even if you use a very low amplitude wave, you get distortion.