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Haha yeah I know it's "stable" but it's kind of all discordant and doesn't really give you notes you can play with, that's what I meant. It has some very nice textures to it, but it's never like.. a full octave of it. C will bleep, D will growl, E will murder a bunny and dance it its blood, F will be silent.. that's what I meant
I still have no idea what it does really. I mean, how the sounds are actually generated and why they sound the way they do so that's why I left this section nebulous a bit. But if I ever am wrong about something I say, or lack information you deem crucial, do tell me! I'll make changes. I figure I'll already have to make changes anyways as bugs are fixed or new options implemented so I fully expect to have to rewrite some of that later on
But don't diss your docs. They are very useful. Whereas my blog is more of an 'explanation' of what things do, your wiki acts as a great reference manual for when you already know something, but forgot how to actually use it. I still refer to it constantly even a year later
Second tutorial/user-manual-type-thing is up!
boomlinde wrote:Slightly relevant
Off topic - How did you embed the video in the post?
Really? You quoted his entire post and didn't read the youtube tags from the quote?
n00bstar wrote:I used to work at a music store and during the dead hours (that is... the entire day... who the hell buys a 5000$ piano at 10 in the morning?) I'd plug a few synths into a mixer, hook that up to the KP3 and jam the entire day away.
MOOG Audio ?
Nah, I didn't pass their "act like a pretentious retard" test. I worked at Ital, cause I passed the "just ignore everyone" test.
I've never opened a GB in my life, hell never even owned one, but I did study electronics for a bit. My guesses would be:
-ribbon controller is misaligned indeed.
-new hardware you put in is making a connection somewhere, somehow, but that is unlikely for a screen mod.
-case is a bit too tight with the new hardware, pcb bends when pressing something, making a connection
-a rogue piece of metal made it into the case when you closed it back...a staple, a bit of wire, a broadsword, a cement truck... etc
In order:
-Open it up again, look at everything and make sure it's all according to plan.
-Remove the ribbon, clean it with a cotton swap and a bit of alcohol (for the swab... not for you)
-Look in the ribbon socket see if there's anything in there that shouldn't be, and blow in it to make sure all the dust and gremlins are out.
-Clean the dpad/button top pcb with rubbing alcohol or circuit cleaner.
-Make sure everything is dry like bones first
-Insert the ribbon like you were performing brain surgery, make sure its perfectly aligned.
-Close it back up, and tighten the screw only as much as it needs to hold it together without rattle. Overscrewing can bend the case and what's in it sometimes.
If that doesn't work, try removing you mod if it's not too hard and then see if that fixes it. If it does, then at least you'll know the problem isn't with the GB itself but rather in the mod, or its installation process.
The KP3 is an amazing little piece of gear. You made a terrific purchase. The sampler on it is just a breeze to use in a live setting and you can pull off hours of improv with it. I used to work at a music store and during the dead hours (that is... the entire day... who the hell buys a 5000$ piano at 10 in the morning?) I'd plug a few synths into a mixer, hook that up to the KP3 and jam the entire day away.
One thing you'll want to do is save your own presets in the little buttons up there so you don't have to sift through the 400 millions "meh" effects in the machine. IIRC (it's been years) you can also save your finger's position on the pad so that when you recall an effect you can have it set directly to where you want it.
Also, dumping samples to a new sample is super useful. The mix can get muddy if you do it too often and end up with 94 tracks mixed into a single sample but still.
One thing though.. it totally sucks at loading/saving data. You have time to raise kids by the time it's done loading something. It's ok in the studio, but live its kind of pointless.
Victory Road wrote:the vibe being needlessly dismissive sometimes!
No it isn't.
that made me chuckle quite a bit
That's an interesting point of view. But I disagree. I'll give a real example of a craft show that is held here each year in Montreal called Le Salon des Metiers D'Art. Smiths, crafters, artisans.. whatever you call the people that expose there, all have to submit their work for peer approval before being accepted at the event.The review process is not about who likes what, but rather on quality control to make sure that what is on offer is of a sufficient level that people from outside their community will be interested.
Anyways. I find it funny that people tell me to move on and just don't listen when something doesn't strike my fancy. It's as if you people imagine me there, going through every second of every song raging at the world because it's bad. Of course I skip the songs, of course I pick and choose what I like, of course I listen to chipmusic from outside this forum...ffs I was making chips in the 80s. Give me some credit.. But the whole point of the thread was to open a discussion about whether or not people find chipmusic to be of lower *musical* quality than other genres. In six pages, there has been like 4 replies that were honest opinion with a sense of discussion.. the rest is just people taking shit personally or saying there's no point in discussing it and making all kinds of parallels with things other than chipmusic. Is there no place for discussions without getting one's panties in a ball here?
The quality of a composition, sadly, is not subjective. There are ways of telling when a composition took effort and/or skill into being made, and when it doesn't. Even if it 's not your cup of tea, even if you hate it, if you can recognize a piece of artwork as something that the artist worked hard on getting right, then you've stumbled upon a work of good quality.
However, even if you like something, if you can tell it was pretty much thrown together whimsically and without much thought, could you say it's quality material? Wouldn't you be more prone to call it a "guilty pleasure" of sorts?
That is also exactly where I come from. Quality productions are quality productions no matter if they strike your fancy at any particular moment. There are a buttload of examples throughout history, from classical composers that have complete knowledge of theory and whatnot, yet still produce sub-par material because they're phoning it in, to utter shit like the Sex Pistols who couldn't tell their asses from a D flat and produced one of the most memorable records in history. Personally, I call it "honesty". Honest music shines, whether its good or bad. There is a legion of musicians I don't care much for musically speaking, but have complete respect for because you can sense the work and the intent and the honesty and the [insert another stupid word here that can never really describe what I'm trying to say]. On the flipside, there are tons of songs I adore that were obviously thrown together at random. And yes I agree these fall into the "guilty pleasure" category more than anything. You know it's not very good, but you like it. That is the only place where subjectivity is relevant.
could op please give me an example of some "throwaway" chipmusic releases?
Well that is tantamount to asking me to start shit. But I will indulge. These are all example from what is on the frontpage as I am writing this.
this song for example is stuff that should be kept between friends. That was thrown together in an hour or so with little care. Whether it's a joke or not or whatever, its bad.
This thing here is about 87 ideas that don't fit together thrown into the same piece. There's no continuity a very little regard for harmony. Some parts are actually decent and could've been worked into a pretty good song, but to me it sounds more like at attempt. It's a sketch of different things put together but not yet made into a "song".
This is just 30 seconds. It's like "hey, I found three and a half notes that sorta kinda fit well together but I couldn't manage to build an actual song out of it". It's not freaking awful, but you can feel the composer giving up on it. Instead of doing the sensible thing and letting the song sit on the hard drive for 1, 2 or 232 days and come back to it when you find something worthwhile to add.. this is just thrown on the internet for want of being 'a musician' in the public eye. Good effort, you're going somewhere, but that wasn't meant for a release.
And for good measure, to balance it out. Here are some songs from the front page that I consider material worth releasing. Some didn't "hook" me at all, but I can still respect the artists because you can appreciate the work and musicianship behind it. It might be somebody's cup of tea, it might not be.. but these are what I like to hear when I sample new music. Maybe all, maybe none, maybe some would make it into my list of songs I want to listen again a few times, but at least none of these made me feel like I was losing my time listening to them:
This is great. It doesn't hook me particularly, but the guy who made this put in time, and thought in it. It might have taken him six weeks or six minutes, that is not the debate... Inspiration comes in spurts and sometimes songs just come out of you whereas other times you need to kick them out bit by bit. But the bottom line is that this is a song. There's a concept, a theme, an ambiance... a story.
This barely qualifies as chip music IMO, it's clearly processed in a DAW with quality filters and a side chain compressor etc etc. But my point is... there's music in there. Not my cup of tea at all, just another generic electro-house song to my ears, but you can see the composer knows where he's going with it, and the amount of effort put into it. There will be people for whom this song is the bomb and I totally respect that.
This is quite nice. There are different parts, harmony and again you can clearly hear the composer is going somewhere with it. Good sense of rythm and melody. Sounds were chosen for how they sound together to form a whole.
This was obviously recorded on half a potato in full mega ninja nuclear mono with rabies. But no matter...the song is fun. It's telling something. The composer has a grasp on the material and he's doing something with it.
And now I'm sure a lot of people think I'm a pretentious fuck because omigod I'm judging people's ART but meh.
We were both too young and inexperienced. It didn't last very long.
OH wait.. you mean music performance?
That was much more shameful and I'm not about to share that!
Cons:
- I had to count beats to know where I was in the song, there's no "resolution" back to beat 1. At first the kick is placed on beat 1, but around 1:30 you push it further down the measure and it messes everything up
- Percussions a little lackluster. I don't really like the repeating low noise going tshhh tshhh tshhh at 0:35. Maybe if it was higher/smoother and more like a hihat like you do around 0:50.
- The melody and harmony don't fit any scale. Since there's no clear scale, there's no root note, so there's no resolution back to the home chord. You will have to give the listener this feeling of resolution somehow otherwise it's easy to get lost.
- It's very repetitive.
Pros:
- Arpeggio on 2nd and 4th beat is always good. It's a classic used in many styles of music and will support your snare.
- There's a structure, with attempts at making parts sound different.
Overall:
I think it needs a lot of work but as boomlinde said, don't let that put you off. If you're new to music in general, the pentatonic scale is a good place to start to make music that sounds good without having to understand too much theory. And if you want to learn more theory, there's a great little website that covers the basics pretty well.
@Cooshinator
HAhhaha yeah I should've expected Sturgeon to pop up Also, fuck you too.
Oh my. Turn around five minutes and drama everywhere. Okay then, let's pick at it.
You're right. Him saying all of the uploaded music on here sucks isn't starting shit. Sorry for being wrong and defending all of the music on here...
I agree there are occasionally tracks uploaded that are a waste of space but it's not 90%. That incorrect estimate is an attempt to start shit....
First I haven't specifically talked about this website in terms of the music I have been exposed to. I have said 90% of all the chip music I have heard recently is forgettable noise, not "shit". Second, since there was already a thread with a similar general direction where discussions of limiting artist releases was starting to mix up the technical difficulty of maintaining such a huge archive with the fact that a lot of it might not be worth archiving I thought the "quality" discussion could be exported elsewhere and explored. Third, in three sentences you managed to say I attack all music here, then you say you defend all music here, then you say I attack 90% of it, then you defend only a portion of the music released here. You are more than welcomed to participate to the discussion, but momentary statistics that change to fit a volatile mood isn't going to be very constructive. Clearly you seem offended by my post. Such was not the intent. You are also picking one 1 line out of four paragraphs that are mostly open-ended and inviting for discussion, so if anybody is "trying to start shit", I don't think it's me.
Now onto the more constructive replies...
How do you define "high quality" music?
I look for musical development and intent, cohesive releases. I don't like repetitive music.
I don't particularly care about recording quality, aside from the most egregious offenders, nor do I care about advanced techniques unless they are used to achieve musical ends that otherwise can't be reached.
We're pretty much on the same wavelength there then. I appreciate music for its musical qualities. Interesting melodies, clever chord progressions, fun ways to reinvent classics, good overall cohesiveness and honesty in the writing. Whether the recording quality is good or bad is irrelevant to me unless, as you say, we're dealing with something that is just aberrant. Technique is interesting but by no means a necessity. Amazing songs have been writing on three basic guitar chords that are just as valid as virtuosos chaining 83 chords require 18 fingers each and jazzing a 8000 note solo in two bars. Both have their place and are enjoyable as long as the musical intent remains honest. I have a dislike for rock-bands-with-two-chips-sound-tacked-on-for-effect and overly generic electro/house material, but that is personal opinion and not a matter of quality.
I think voting and structured sharing would solve a some of these problems. I'm not sure how it would create a nazi elite. Letting random people upload songs, giving them the benefit of the doubt by not revealing any substantial information of who liked/disliked it and why will at least cause people like me not to bother with it. For example, ordering songs by the average rating within a list of users you trust would be pretty useful.
Well that's what I'm doing in a way. I've identified a few artists I really like and try to find more music by them. But I find the popularity rating is a bit weird. If I'm not mistaken it's not calculated by votes but simply by the number of listens which I find is a system that tends to push the same material on top while sending releases by unknown artists to the bottom. People listen to songs that are popular because people have been listening to it because people have listened to it etc etc. So far almost half of the tracks I really liked were in the sub-20 listens. I want to comment on them, but seeing as nobody else seems to do it, would it even matter? And tracks that ask for criticism...I feel if I indeed criticise them, I'll be accused of starting shit again. It all seems like a pointless argument in the end and I'm starting to see why Forabrokenearth told me to give up and not get involved
you only have a small handful of netlabels that implicitly serve that function, but even their usefulness is diluted right now by other netlabels that release too much middling stuff because they either a) operate way too inclusively out of a distorted sense of equality whereby all chip musicians deserve the same kind of attention, or b) simply have a low standard of quality.
Agreed. I don't like this "all musicians on this scene should be equal" philosophy. Healthy competition makes people want to get better. But maybe I am indeed looking at this from the wrong perspective and should focus more on the eps and albums rather than the single tracks.
Have you listened to any of the classics? Or looked up some of the artist who've performed at Blip / Squaresounds / [insert large gathering of artist festival here] ? With every music & art scene there will always be a high signal to noise ratio. It's probably a good idea to get a good balance of both.
Well, I come from the old Amiga scene so my list of classic probably greatly differs. I was just recently exposed to the chiptune "scene" and found it to be mostly gb/nes-centric. I even saw a documentary which, while it was entertaining as all hell, basically ignored most of the chiptune history from the Amiga/ST and early PC days. I might need to sit down and brush up on what's considered the "classics list" these days.
But yes, you are a grumpy old fuck.
If it wasn't time to change my adult diaper and take a 6 hour nap on the couch, I would totally cane you on the head.
Well, from my point of view I wasn't complaining as much as trying to get a feel for how people feel about something that I've noticed. I haven't been on CMO long enough to be aware of the cyclic nature of things. You on the other hand, could have followed your own advice and not get involved
But yes, I see your point. I will forever hold my voice and accept the mediocrity.
Passive agressive much, sir?
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