NSFE (NSF-extra) thread. tutorial, discussion, etc (Page 1 of 2)

-If you can now listen to NSFs in winamp with notsofatso, you're all set.
-I know there have been some "unofficial" patches and updates to this plugin, NSFE support should still work with those if you've implemented them, but you don't need them.

-Open an NSF file with winamp + the notsofatso plugin.
-Open the winamp playlist, right click the nsf there and hit "View file info". This is the same way you view and edit MP3 tags with winamp, only an NSF-related thing pops up instead of an MP3 tag editor:

-Hit the 'Convert to NSFE' button. It'll look to export it into whatever folder you last opened a file from in winamp, but you can change that.
-Now, you've exported the NSFE, but it's not open yet. So close the tag editor, remove the NSF from the playlist.

-Open the NSFE like any other file with winamp and repeat step 2.
-Now you have a more advanced editor, with two extra tabs for naming tracks + setting times, and ordering tracks, in the top right:

Here you can do three things:

NAME A TRACK.

-Never make up a fancy / artistic name like "The Journey Home" for a track. If it has an official name from an OST or sound test, use that. If it doesn't, give it the most obvious name possible so the listener knows what it is. Something like "Level Select", "Stage 1", "Game Over", "Ending Credits". In other words, try to avoid making up names for game songs. Your goal is to ID them for yourself and others.
-If a game IDs stuff in-game, like calling a level "1-1: The Forest", then that's what you should call it. Sometimes game manuals and sites like gamefaqs will help give you more official names if they're not in-game.
-If a game does have official track names but you're worried they're not descriptive enough, use an identifier in brackets or parenthesis after it. Example - for the Gimmick track titled "Happy Birthday", I called it "Happy Birthday [Stage 1]".

SET TRACK LENGTH.

-This tells how long or how many times the song plays. You can do this without manually typing a number in. Just listen to the song as it plays, and click on the "now" button when you find the spot you want it to end.
-If it's a looping track, it should play through twice. End the song immediately at the moment the song loops / ends.

SET THE FADE LENGTH.

-This tells the song how long it should take to fade, starting immediately after the end of the designated track length point. This means a fade can be extremely short or extremely long if you really wanted it to be.
-Most people have a fade that's 5 seconds long. This is where I get needlessly anal retentive, so feel free to ignore this, but I like my fade outs in time, musically. Whatever feels smoothest and most natural (not too short, too long, or in the middle of a weird set of notes) like 8 beats, 16 beats, whatever. Thats how long I make my fades, anyways. I feel like this helps aesthetically in making an NSFE feel like a proper album. A fade out on an album wouldn't only be like an awkward 3 second fade right?
-If it's a track that doesn't loop, set a brief fade after the track length anyways. Why on earth would you want to quickly fade out during silence after a track has ended? Just trust me on this. I usually put a 1 second fade after tracks that end by themselves. This is one of the biggest missed things from other people who tag NSFEs.

-The field on the left is the original NSF's track order. It will never change since that is a fixed thing, outside of seeing the new names you put up for a track. Outside of some very simple games with short soundtracks, you rarely have NSFs that are 'in order'. So you select tracks on the left side by clicking on them, and clicking the arrows pointing to the right to get them there. The window on the right is the actual order the tracks will appear in as you listen to the NSFE. You click on track(s) and press up or down to change the order.
-You don't have to move everything over. This is how you can selectively delete tracks like SFX if you want to. However, remember that the NSFE is non-destructive in the way it edits NSFs. Just because a track doesn't make it into the NSFE playlist, doesn't mean you can't go back and add it back in whenever you want. The original NSF is still always in there somewhere, no matter what you do.

HOW DO YOU DECIDE TRACK ORDER?

-Think of whatever feels most logical or appropriate if you were playing the game from start to finish. Sometimes there's no set way of doing this, because order can be debated. A couple examples - A password entry screen from a title menu (should that go before main level themes or towards the end?). A reoccurring boss theme (does that go after the first time you'd hear it, like after level 1, or do you want to throw it up after all the levels...?). Do it on a soundtrack-by-soundtrack basis, whatever makes most sense to you.

-You need to save your changes before they take place. You also need to stop playing the NSFE if you're listening to it. Just hit stop in winamp, then hit play again and it should refresh.

-"Unused" tracks. There have been problems with people naming tracks as unused when it turns out they were totally in the game. Unless you know with certainty that a track is unused, you should name it something like "Unknown [NSF Track X]". This is important because it acknowledges that you simply couldn't find the song in-game. Otherwise, naming it "unused" when that is wrong is giving misinformation. And definitely don't leave any songs with the original "Track X" name, that's even worse, that makes it look unfinished and doesn't even let us know if you thought it was unused or not.

-Change this one important default setting in notsofatso, because it might screw you up. Not from the tagging window, but the normal NSF playback window- Go into the 'Config 3' tab and look at the detection options at the bottom. By default, notsofatso gives you a really short length "Stop after X MS of Silence". This tells tracks that naturally end in untagged nsfs when to move onto the next track. It listens for silence, then skips to the next track if there's that much silence. The problem with this is that some games actually have music with pauses bigger than this. You will sometimes miss out on complete tracks of music or entire sections of songs because of this default setting. Mine is set to 9200 MS of silence, so I don't have this problem (afaik, hopefully there's nothing longer than that!).

May I add that it seems many archive collections don't offer batch downloading or a single download of the complete collection, and that this is a bad thing? For example that slick productions site you linked to.

NO CARRIER wrote:

Did you post this on 2a03, too?

FORUMS ARE BACK [10-03-23]!
I put up an old backup of the forums...
-Snowrobot

...I would also like to see a site that has all of these embedded in flash!...