[ Closed ] drinking and driving is stupid, NO MATTER WHAT (Page 3 of 4)

Wow. I agree that his tweet was completely tasteless, ill-advised, and ultimately galling, and that if he was, in fact, driving drunk he should be seriously punished for endangering himself and others, but some of the sentiment and language directed toward him on this forum is kind of shocking me with its unbridled hatefulness and contempt.

The man seems stupid rather than spiteful and pitiable in his utter lack of sense. But saying you hope he dies and doing it all on a public forum strikes me as a bit nasty. He already posted it publicly himself I don't see why it needs to be reposted on a music forum so everyone can talk about how much they hate this guy. Even if people do have their reasons for hating him and I personally know that a few of you do have very good reasons, I just don't know if this is the best venue for this sort of thing. I completely understand if people want to talk about their opinions of others when they get together with friends - that's something we all do. But why here and why in such savage terms?

I agree, he's a douche. But eh. Wishing death upon someone is just as bad in my opinion

I might as well ask while the topic's open, whatever happened to ChipCon? Did he just cancel because of idiot moves made or what not?

Last edited by lynit (May 1, 2011 9:39 pm)

What a fucking idiot

Well I want him to stop driving drunk and I find his twisted hubris about the matter completely abhorrent but I don't want him to die. I'd rather he realize what a stupid thing he's done before anyone gets hurt, including himself. I also wouldn't mind one bit if he were arrested and punished for his actions. Nigel - I think what this guy has done is just as horrible as you think it is (although we disagree about what the ideal solution should be.) My five year old cousin was killed by a drunk driver when I was very young and it was a horrible blow to the family.

But my main point is that I'm not sure why what is by and large a music community forum has a thread devoted to everyone calling someone an idiot, no matter how irresponsible and stupid a thing he may have done. Should we start threads about the stupid and immature things we've all done or the insensitive and irresponsible things we may have said? Or start threads about all the things we may not like about various people in the scene? Because I certainly know that if everyone was honest about it there would plenty of gripes against me and all sorts of innapropriate and poorly-chosen words and actions I've committed in the past. I'm just advocating a calmer rhetoric and an overall lower level of vitriol for whatever that may be worth.

I'm really just a bit put off by how suddenly everyone's fangs came out. I don't think this same thing would have happened if it wasn't someone that most people already hated. If a well-liked member of the scene tweeted this odious garbage I think people would probably send him private messages or take it up with him in person or say to their friends "did you see that shit _____ posted about driving drunk? What a dick." But because it happens to be betabot it gets its own forum thread where everyone can cluck their tongues and say that they really wouldn't mind at all if he died a horrible death. I just don't think his stupid actions are really worth this level of public attention. We all know drunk driving is wrong. And we all know that bragging about it is absolutely reprehensible. But why are we talking about it here?

Last edited by Natty (May 2, 2011 1:33 am)

I also wouldn't mind if someone smacked him for doing something so stupid. Dying just seems rather too much.

Pixls : Unfortunately you don't have to get any sort of qualification in order to organise massive events where you are responsible for the safety of your patrons. Anyone who can convert protein into energy is qualified.

For what it is worth thought I'd never work with this guy.

If he has such disregard for his own safety I wouldn't trust him with the myriad of safety responsibilities such as fire codes, public liability insurance etc. that are required to run a gig.

i seriously doubt that anything will happen to him until it's too late, and he's ruined someone else's life or lives.

i'm pretty sure none of those things are the equivalent of bragging about putting people's lives in jeopardy though, right?

i had a pretty neutral opinion of this guy before all this. i had nothing to do with the chip-con shows, and had zero interaction with him before this.

i'd act the same way, unless it was a friend, in which case i would privately contact them asking what the fuck is wrong with them and telling them to knock it off. i'd imagine at this point that people know if i have a problem with someone, i DON'T have a problem letting them know in a public/online setting. and if i had any connection to this dude, i'd be telling him to fuck hisself in private as well as in public.

i dont cluck tongues, nigga!

because he's announced it publically? and he's a "part" of the scene?

if i'm ever in the same area as him, i know i wont get kicked out of a show, and someone points him out to me, i will gladly slap the everloving shit out of him.