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I've heard some music made by students who graduated with 1st degrees in music from the best universities.
They had a lot of quite sophisticated sounding terminology when they were talking about music.
However, when I listened to their recordings it was just a bunch of out of tune sounding squeals and squeaks.
Plus they couldn't even understand gameboys.
MaxDolensky wrote:That's what the whole thread has been about.
My impression is that this thread was created when it should have been a direct message. If Protodome answers the 3 flats question, he deserves the "more patient than I" award, if there is one. Is there one?
No.
I've heard some music made by students who graduated with 1st degrees in music from the best universities.
They had a lot of quite sophisticated sounding terminology when they were talking about music.
However, when I listened to their recordings it was just a bunch of out of tune sounding squeals and squeaks.
Plus they couldn't even understand gameboys.
I would like to think I'm the exception to this rule, but uhh.. yeah, Gameboy music ain't my forte. I'm more of a NES guy 
I'm down for whatevrr...
(mostly sunvox)
I hope chipmusic can one day do what this keyboard can...its microtonal stuff, maybe you'd be interested. Pretty much impossible in any tracker software I know of.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=APtJsaPxNgo
Almost impossible to write sheet music for as well.
Neither is impossible. You can change the tuning increments of lots of trackers. Pretty sure someone has done microtonal stuff with LSDJ before by using a custom ROM or something (little-scale, maybe? this was a while ago)
As for the sheet music thing I've heard of one person using "colors" for the different tiny pitch increments for microtonal pieces. i.e. Cblue, Cgreen, etc. Pretty interesting, but far out there stuff.
You can definitely do microtonal stuff in trackers though.
ant1 wrote a tcl script that tunes impulse tracker instruments to whatever sort of microtonal scale you want
you can't find it anywhere
JaffaCakeMexica wrote:I hope chipmusic can one day do what this keyboard can...its microtonal stuff, maybe you'd be interested. Pretty much impossible in any tracker software I know of.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=APtJsaPxNgo
Almost impossible to write sheet music for as well.
Neither is impossible. You can change the tuning increments of lots of trackers. Pretty sure someone has done microtonal stuff with LSDJ before by using a custom ROM or something (little-scale, maybe? this was a while ago)
As for the sheet music thing I've heard of one person using "colors" for the different tiny pitch increments for microtonal pieces. i.e. Cblue, Cgreen, etc. Pretty interesting, but far out there stuff.
You can definitely do microtonal stuff in trackers though.
Yes, I saw that littlescale video in which he had created a custom rom for nanoloop using hex editor.
This microtonal kind of stuff is the future. We can return to the genius stylings of many indian composers. Actually, come to think of it you can do absolute frequencies in sunvox as well...havent got my head around it yet though, but..it will be mine, oh yes, it will be mine.
Last edited by JaffaCakeMexica (Apr 25, 2016 11:23 pm)
There have been at least 1 microtonal compos held on battleofthebits.org utilizing Famitracker.
http://battleofthebits.org/arena/OHC/1820/
Some of them are not possible in tracker arp commands because they go above 3 or 4 notes
Maybe not in a single tracker arp command on a single channel, but skillful alternating of arp commands or using a second channel to extend the chord is possible. And if you use a high speed setting it's possible to make arp chords as big as you want by simply entering the pitches in the note column rather than using arp commands. LSDj is pretty efficient with doing that with tables.
The future is debatable, but I don't see microtonal music as the future. I definitely don't see Western audiences ever getting into it. It'll remain an extreme niche like harsh noise and other areas of music that are far beyond what mass audiences enjoy.
Sure it's neat, but it's very hard to digest and it's tough for your average joe to get out of the western tone structure headspace. Gettin off track here, though.
I think PSPSEQ could do absolute frequencies as well.
Is it open source yet?
while i predominantly agree with arlen i would also like to throw out some examples of microtonal music i love
brad smith / rainwarrior - in this new image - 5TET - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8XiIRLBqic
syzygys - a bao a qu - incl. 43-tone organ - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7i6Jsed-PA
it might be important to recognize that the aim of microtonality is sometimes to approximate the exact pitch relationships of different intervals and not to be wacky
while i predominantly agree with arlen i would also like to throw out some examples of microtonal music i love
brad smith / rainwarrior - in this new image - 5TET - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8XiIRLBqic
syzygys - a bao a qu - incl. 43-tone organ - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7i6Jsed-PAit might be important to recognize that the aim of microtonality is sometimes to approximate the exact pitch relationships of different intervals and not to be wacky
Here's a weird indie pop band using microtonal instruments. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9MjtfEQl_c
Also puredata (or max/MSP, they're similar) might be worth looking into for microtonal sorts of stuff. Could definitely pull off chip stuff using the basic waveforms and sampling for percussion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4t5B6nPQGg
theremin, human voice, lapslide and violin are awesome microtonal instruments.
Last edited by JaffaCakeMexica (Apr 26, 2016 12:28 am)
The future is debatable, but I don't see microtonal music as the future. I definitely don't see Western audiences ever getting into it. It'll remain an extreme niche like harsh noise and other areas of music that are far beyond what mass audiences enjoy.
Good examples I've heard in pop music sound like blue notes, borrow from Arabic or Indian styles, or are used for "movie" percussion.
In sample trackers, or any trackers that let you tune an instrument to a pitch, you can make duplicate instruments that are up and down a quarter tone. On VSTs or MIDI synthesizers, you can send a pitch bend instruction.
Here's a weird indie pop band using microtonal instruments. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9MjtfEQl_c
hey, cool!
also, wendy carlos's "beauty in the beast" is practically required listening for anyone with an interest in microtonal exploration
Keys are near-meaningless in tracker music - it's computed like atonal music is - arps are all relative to 0 (base note), sharps are always, flats are omitted, etc. Trying to force tracker format into the foundation for your argument about what scales fit what chord is baseless - it's not in a musical context at all, it's an abstraction or reduction.
Keys are near meaningless in tracker music?
Here is a guide to staying in key for tracker peeps.
C Natural minor
C, D, D#, F, G, G#, A#
(I), (II), (iii), (IV), (V), (vi), (vii)
C min : C, D#, G (0, 3, 7), (I, iii, V)
C sus4 : C, F, G (0, 5, 7), (I, IV, V)
Cm7 : C, D#, G, A# (0, 3, 7, A)
Ddim : D, F, G# (0, 3, 6), (II, IV, vi)
Dm7b5 : C, D, F, G# (0, 3, 6, A), (I, II, IV, vi)
D#Maj : D#, G, A# (0, 4, 7), (iii, V, vii)
D#sus4 : D#, G#, A# (0, 5, 7), (iii, vi, vii)
D#Maj7 : D, D#, G, A# (0, 4, 7, B), (II, iii, V, vii)
F min : C, F, G# (0, 3, 7), (I, IV, vi)
Fsus4 : C, F, A# (0, 5, 7), (I, IV, vii)
Fm7 : C, D#, F, G# (0, 3, 7, A), (I, iii, IV, vi)
Gmin : D, G, A# (0, 3, 7), (II, V, vii)
Gsus4 : C, D, G (0, 5, 7), (I, II, V)
Gm7 : D, F, G, A# (0, 3, 7, A), (II, IV, V, vii)
G#Maj : C, D#, G# (0, 4, 7), (I, iii, vi)
G#Maj7 : C, D#, G, G# (0, 4, 7, B), (I, iii, V, vi)
G#6th : C, D#, F, G# (0, 4, 7, 9), (I, iii, IV, vi)
A#Maj : D, F, A# (0, 4, 7), (II, IV, vii)
A#sus4 : D#, F, A# (0, 5, 7), (iii, IV, vii)
A#7th : D, F, G#, A# (0, 4, 7, A), (II, IV, vi, vii)
If anyone can find any mistakes or suggest any improvements please let me know.
Honestly, instead of wasting time with 'trial and error music' and then saying its jazz, use this system. It will save you precious time.