Exporting raw audio on a PC for Amiga (Page 2 of 3)

Alright man, I know what you mean now.
I tried the opposite, converting RAW to WAV on Wavelab. The result was distorted bullshit.
I Dont know why this happens.

How does it sound compared to stuff sampled directly on an Amiga?

Nowhere near as cool.
Each sampler will have it's own sound.
Mine has a pretty creamy lo-fi sound.
The one I've got for sale on the trade section is crunchy/noisy but also very clean if you can get the hum away.

It's very convenient sampling straight to the amiga. I plug in my mp3 player, I plug in my laptop, I plug in my C64. Samples ahoy, no fucking PC to click around in.

At the moment Iam sampling to a Roland JS-30 and manipulating my samples there, then straight to the amiga from that. I can layer up samples, timestretch them, downtune them, ADSR fun etc, muck about with loop points to create a whole new sound.

If you have a decent screen size on your amiga I'd reccomend using OSS 1.35(?!). It has some great effects processors in it, and you can also get DSP plugins. These are ram hoggy so you'll most likely need an expansion.
It can export/import 4channel protracker mods, and can also do midi.

Last edited by CMDR (Aug 29, 2010 9:45 pm)

a few that i think are great:

this filter plugin is absolutely sick- instead of just GUESSING the resonance in the filter you can choose from lowpass, bandpass, highpass, and modify each as you want.       http://uk.aminet.net/mus/edit/cha_filter.readme

i use this to cut up long samples when im making house- one you mentioned    http://uk.aminet.net/mus/edit/cha_stanley.readme

also useful for correcting the tempo of said loops http://fi.aminet.net/mus/edit/cha_autotempo.readme

I wouldn't say it's that misleading Along with the built in reverb etc theres plenty you can do with a boring loop.
I just think it's sad that people stick to protracker/soundtracker when they make amiga music.
now all I want is some sort of phaser or flange, that would be awesome!

Last edited by CMDR (Aug 30, 2010 10:12 am)

Maybe.  Sampling for Amiga is a mission.  This is how I generally approach things.

For long phrases I use 8363hz or 16726hz into a DSS sampler on the Amiga - sections like the "Horses" sample or the "Look Around You" section.  I just like the dirty sound.  Sampling from C64 works well like this too although I blew up a SID chip recently, so I'm back to using my PC and being VERY careful when sampling from the C64.  Don't use tube based pre-amps either - that was the other case when I lost a SID chip.

Sometimes I find it's better to actually cross convert from PC.  If I want to get samples sharp (like kit sounds or loops) I sample them at 48khz on a Lynx card with Aurora front end or my trusty old Edirol UA-5.  My DX7, DSI or MC202 are good to sample from for notes; although you gotta make things big so they don't suffer from quantisation distortion due to bit exhaustion.  I then use Cool Edit using certain plugs to EQ and compress them to an optimal fat waveform - but not too hard else they lose their punch.  To keep the "punch" I sometimes just use gain to push a sample over 0db and just clip spikes off.  For hifi samples I usually convert them to 26khz - 28khz which the Amiga handles fine - keep in mind that because the filters sound better OFF (in my opinion) even kick drums or bass notes will benefit from a high sample rate to get that waveform nice and rounded else they'll start ringing.  Sometimes you need to resample to a 5th higher and an octive higher so you have coverage for all the notes.  Loops often sound good at 16726 (aka middle C3) or somewhere around 21khz.  There is no one sample rate - sometimes you juse save 5 or 6 versions at different rates and compare them all on the Amiga side.  You'll need to tweak the samples pitch to get it to fit and obviously split drum loops into 4 or 8 parts.  One will jump out as fitting into place.  Somtimes I use parts of a loop at different sample rates just because a snare snap sound good at one rate but the first half lacks... you get some bonus texture in there too.

I move any samples I want on an Amiga into a MODPlug session (using the Amiga MOD 4 channel preset) with resampling set to lowest quality possible (in the settings) and do most of my programming and sequencing in there.  I usually take it over to the Amiga to finish, mix and add / replace some samples before saving master MOD files.

So, in answer to getting stuff from PC to Amiga, going from MODPlug, saving as a "compatible" MOD, then taking it to an Amiga is the easiest way.  On that note, the Compact Flash kit is great if floppies are starting to get annoying.  Although I never will get sick of pressing C= + E, MOUNT PC0:

Three rules I always am thinking about:

1) You can't play over A# up from where C sits at 16726hz.  B will be a little out of tune and have odd effects.

2) Samples should be under 32kb.  In Cool Edit or Audition set view mode as being samples (still work in 16bit at this point)

3) You can always use the Axx command to create an envelope, eg. A08 if you want to envelope a sample if it's over compressed or you want staccato notes.

have fun!

Tips from the masters. Yay!
However, I will be a nitpicker: what did you do, cTrix, when you didn't have any of these wondrous tools you have nowadays?

Well, I ask this because I got two samplers myself now, and I am finding it hard to capture noiseless signals. I usually have to crank up the gain a damn lot and this makes things go bad.

I don't have a DSS (damn, hat was my first tracker! DSS Sound Studio!) though, I have a generic black box sampler and an AMAS2. I think the problem with the AMAS2 is that it also has a MIC input so teh preamps are kinda shitty.