good work here, from what ive heard so far. 1bit stuff is tough for me to listen to but i still enjoy and appreciate it. thanks for tking the time to corrale all these artists together for a right proper beepercomp.
369 Jul 12, 2013 12:21 am
Re: [kr067] VA: 1-BIT WIZARDS - The Journey Begins (10 replies, posted in Releases)
370 Jul 11, 2013 11:15 pm
Re: 8BP129 Yerzmyey - Brutal And Aggressive (35 replies, posted in Releases)
'It's because I like to suck clitoris, this habit influences my music.'
-YERZMYEY
371 Jul 11, 2013 9:22 am
Re: PC-Only Software (36 replies, posted in Software & Plug-ins)
i used to run impulse tracker on a 286 acer for a while with an ess 688 soundcard , running mono, 22.050mhz, with a 20 meg hd. once i would load up all the samples individually in a song, it wouldnt skip or anything. but i had to use 386 memory in there and tape it down and stick guitar picks in and shit in order to get enough ems/xms memory. i even used this mess of a rig for a few shows with no problems surprisingly..think i upgraded one time to a pentium 1, probably 100mhz, then to a pentium 2 400mhz, and im still using it now.
if you want to get into an impulse tracker setup, a pentium 2 is great, cheap and plentiful at thrift stores (just look around for something that looks good and clean, if youre not good with older pc's take someone with you who is) with that mmx shits and get a sblive in there, sb live will cost you no more than $5 now. do not even attempt to fuck around with configuring IT with any other soundcard really, its not even worth the trouble. 400-600mhz is basically what you need to get going. also, i donno if schism tracker's mouse functionality is different at all from impulse tracker's, i never noticed any differences.. and besides, the only thing you really should be doing with a mouse in IT is drawing envelopes, you want that intuitive, sorta ergonomic hotkey-dependant setup there.
the biggest problem schism tracker has going against it is that a lot of key combinations can get 'stuck' on ya. its too buggy and they put too much effort into it for being as buggy as it is. samples sometimes will not trigger at all if they're below a certain samplerate. the thing about schism thats a really strong thing in its favor, its useful to learn the ropes of getting into a tracker like that without having to go and make a true dedi IT rig. its gonna sound different and better and after you've used schism for a minute, you're gonna say 'wow, IT is a lot...stronger...or something?' and you want to do that if you try schism and enjoy it, find a good p2 that you can throw a big hd in and a sb live in and have an enjoyable time in bringing some new life into an old box.
perhaps you might not even run into some of the problems that some others have with that program, depending on the good or bad habits you pick up along the way in tracking. i sort of think laptops are out because while you can use external keyboards (and really, tracking on a tiny keyboard gets tiring fast), you arent gonna get the ideal sound quality that you'll get with an sb live, which is pretty much the end of the line driverwise with that program, and lets be honest, thats the big draw in using the program in the first place. it sounds way better than with a regular soundblaster.
372 Jul 11, 2013 6:19 am
Re: Welcome to the Chipmusic.org chillout thread! What's on your mind? (256 replies, posted in General Discussion)
373 Jul 11, 2013 6:15 am
Re: Welcome to the Chipmusic.org chillout thread! What's on your mind? (256 replies, posted in General Discussion)
374 Jul 10, 2013 11:46 pm
Re: What are my options for releasing on vinyl? (71 replies, posted in General Discussion)
this is why i said you or anybody needs to do their research on this so that you can let others know just the same as i am. i dont see anybody else giving info here, so if anybody else has printed dubplates or lathes recently, speak up..sometimes you have to feel these guys out as well. did you ask them about pricing for 50 copies, for 100 copies, for 150 copies? 150 copies really isnt a lot in the grand scheme of things. the more you get from any plant, the more the price is gonna drop for the actual records themselves, but the price of production/shipping will certainly stay the same, if not increase.
lathes can be rather shitty, yeah, and especially for this kind of music because you can run into a shitload of distortion in the higher frequencies, but with polycarbonate lathe cuts, you'll get a better bass response. i dunno about pvc or lexan but i would think you'd be limited to the number of plays you can get out of either pvc or poly and that the first thing you'd notice would be a lack of bass, and then increasing surface noise. polycarbonate is also really prone to static electricity and it'll attract a lotta dust. its for these reasons i would say that for purely chip stuff, they're probably not a good idea, also why i said if you follow the criteria i laid out at the end of my last post that its for the best in anybodys efforts in getting some affordable stuff printed up. who knows, maybe you'd have to buy 200 lathes to get the price down that low.
but hey, paying $450 or 500 all said and done including taking care of your own art for 200 lathe cuts vs 100 7" cuts with no artwork or printing on your labels at rainbo @ around 900, pretty sure we're all gonna choose the former.
people are in this to offer competitive prices, just as with any business. but the time involved in doing jobs is what makes plants not able to meet the demand, theres tons of shit that can and does go wrong. some of these plants like united run 24/7, and as a result, they fuck up people's records. sometimes really, really bad. a guy i know who runs a label paid for 180g vinyl, it showed up shipped and it was standard weight vinyl. dude called and they said that the person running them overnight thought there was too much surface noise on the 180g, so they made them standard weight instead to cut down. the dude made them re-run the entire thing on the 180g he paid for, which they did, and the 180g version had less surface noise than the standard weight copies. the guy did end up with 300 extra records that he has still yet to do anything with. but yeah, the fact that they didn't call and ASK if standard weight was ok, well, draw your own conclusions about em, ahhaha. may be a good question to ask about their production routines even, ahah.
right now mastercraft has a quick turnaround time, i even heard one dude got his test pressings pack this week with a one day turnaround, archer you can currently get test pressings back in 16-18 days, you can get 300 7"s for $600 out the door if you play the options right (this doesnt include shpping or art of course), and they arent concerned with sampling or cover songs or anything like that, some places are. either of these two bigger companies might be worth looking into if anybody is looking for something to be ready for an end of summer release.
375 Jul 10, 2013 11:00 pm
Re: What are my options for releasing on vinyl? (71 replies, posted in General Discussion)
tempsoundsolutions wrote:i would think most places would not charge more than $2 per lathe.
that'd be 100 records for 200 bucks. Nobody would be doing pressed records if that was the case
not true, i will tell you why. you're talking about a severely limited number of plays. lathe cuts are a great promotional tool, or even for artists who want to get off the ground with a early offering that might end up being a little more special and fragile than a trad 7". but people who buy em might end up a little disenchanted when after 5 or 6 plays their record doesnt sound as good anymore, as usually they're more comparable to a flexidisc than a record. some can hold up for as many as 20-30 plays depending on your stylus. the price between getting lathes done vs going for one of the big box companies like rainbo isnt too much of a difference, as the big part of where your money gets eaten up is limiting/mastering and shipping, regardless of whether you're printing flexis, 5" lathes, 7", 10", 12", picturediscs, 180-190g, whatever. either way, you should make it worth the effort and if you dont want to print 50 lathe cuts then not to bother with it. or go with the rainbo 100 7" package, which is probably ~$900 now. or maybe look into kunaki and see what their rates are, i havent looked into their vinyl yet at all and i donno if anybody else has either.
another problem with lathes is that you have way less bass on your finished product unless you're using polycarbonate, something that would probably be a dealbreaker with chip stuff. but that also depends on whether the company you choose uses pvc or polycarbonate for lathecuts. i've heard pvc lasts longer, i've also heard of people using lexan recently because its harder than polycarbonate but softer than pvc and lends less surface noise. which plants are doing this, i cant say for sure. though i would say if you are considering getting em done to try and find someone who matches the two criteria of ~$2-3 a pop, or lexan as the material. searching out one or the other will most likely lead you to a final product thats either of a little higher quality, or one that you can use for promotional. the latter may end up being more fruitful these days. you will still have to source your own artwork, as most places who do lathe cuts will give you a plastic sleeve. there's certainly deals out there to be had if you research enough. but you'll certainly be paying with your time.
376 Jul 10, 2013 9:37 pm
Re: What are my options for releasing on vinyl? (71 replies, posted in General Discussion)
Thanks, tempsoundsolutions. I really needed you to tell me that vinyl is a crapshoot and its hard to sell. Its not like it has been an oddity for over a decade. I just want an album on vinyl, not tape, not CD. (I have put stuff on tapes before). However, I appreciate the advice given about pressing companies.
so what you're saying is that you'd be fine with tape releases? so why not just do a tape release? or do a cdr?
377 Jul 10, 2013 5:33 pm
Re: What are my options for releasing on vinyl? (71 replies, posted in General Discussion)
might even be tough for them.
part of the problem is that if you want to do a double gatefold, high g pressing vinyl, you pretty much have to sell it in the $20-25 range and thats in the stores, not mailorder. and i think thats what they're going for with that vinyl right? tack on a few extra bucks to that, the fact that not everybody's got a record player, and its a hard sell.
vinyl is basically for collectors or superfans now, and somebody earlier in the thread mentioned tapes, they're a hell of an easier sell simply because of the price for manufacturing vs minimum order and turnaround time. the price per unit when you do those options, full color gatefold etc etc is up above $10 per to the artist and thats not even in the smallest print run you can do. its a lot of money to tie up.
378 Jul 10, 2013 4:48 am
Re: What are my options for releasing on vinyl? (71 replies, posted in General Discussion)
vinyl isnt expensive for crying out loud. the problem is that with most places, you're looking at getting an order together of 500 or 600 units as a minimum.
if you are looking for low run plants, then you should be looking into getting lathe cuts done. that 2208 joint does low runs, contact dude about his runs and the prices, i would think most places would not charge more than $2 per lathe. this is where you can save money and get around printing big batches that you may not get done or if you are just trying to get something out there. plus if a person really digs it and wears it out, they'll more than likely buy another. in this community, none of these artists are gonna be able to sell 500 copies of records with enough frequency to recoup the investment in it, so this thread would be a little more purposeful to discuss lathe cuts.
vinyl isnt exactly the best format to print on, especially if you're doing lathe cuts of chippy music. you can get em done for a dollar a piece if you ask around and you can get low runs, im talking 25, 30 copies. the problem is finding someone who will do em. try 2208, (2208records.blogspot.com, it says their current turnaround is 13 weeks, what did i tellya), corporate records (www.corporaterecords.biz, doesnt say they do lathe cuts there but they totally do) or perhaps lathecuts.com, tho theyre moving and not accepting stuff until sept sometime because they're moving and it sounds like they're stepping up their game. peter king in NZ does lathe cuts and is probably the most reputable dude who does it, as he's been doing it since the 80s. i will say that from what i've heard of ppl who print lathe stuff that some of the more reputable guys are slippin. so if you're gonna look into this beyond what i've said, maybe give a shout back here so people know what to expect.
ps- most lathe cuts are mono, tho they can do stereo. the sound quality is gonna end up coming out sounding like a typical 7" that was done at rainbo-by that i mean you're gonna be asking what happened. you might wanna be clear with em about this and master your music down to mono beforehand just to ensure that you've got the best chance of it sounding decent.
379 Jul 10, 2013 4:24 am
Re: What are my options for releasing on vinyl? (71 replies, posted in General Discussion)
you arent doing what i asked.
380 Jul 10, 2013 4:19 am
Re: What are my options for releasing on vinyl? (71 replies, posted in General Discussion)
no, you didnt. fuck off.
381 Jul 10, 2013 3:06 am
Re: What are my options for releasing on vinyl? (71 replies, posted in General Discussion)
all clear
382 Jul 10, 2013 3:00 am
Re: What are my options for releasing on vinyl? (71 replies, posted in General Discussion)
i have never heard of radiograffiti
383 Jul 10, 2013 2:59 am
Re: What are my options for releasing on vinyl? (71 replies, posted in General Discussion)
nope, i supplied information about your vinyl options currently
384 Jul 10, 2013 2:57 am
Re: What are my options for releasing on vinyl? (71 replies, posted in General Discussion)
yeah i donno nothing about radiograffiti nor do i care. page looks dead as dead can be, updates in 2011 and then one a few days ago in 2013. guess dude doesnt care either.