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IF THIS DOESNT LIVE UP TO ITS NAME, IM GONNA ASK FOR BAN. thanks for this though.

i dont think its a matter of it being worth it or not, because either way, ppl are telling me in private good on ya for standing up to celsius.

anyways, to get on topic, here's sort of a quick list of some of the artists i feel are important to that early era of synth music.

synergy
andy clark
roger roger
roland bocquet
mike vickers
mythos
francis monkman
claude perrardin
teddy lasry
simon park
bernard fevre
angela werner
georges rodi
hugo montenegro
keith mansfield
doris norton
jean-pierre decerf

i realize this is sort of a long list, but all of these guys were important for different reasons. definately try and scope out some lasry, he was a sax player in magma, went his own way and dove head first into the synthesizer. 'rush (patchwork 59)' is my favorite work by him, but all of it is very worth checking out. really organic stuff. you may recognize some of his music from 'curb your enthusiasm' if you're a fan of the show. here's some tunes from teddy, claude, and jean pierre, they were all artists on the patchwork label, a very good starting point if you're trying to find your way for some good stuff. i also suggest looking into the bruton and kpm discography NO MATTER WHAT.

some of the artists in that list may be a lil more popular, like synergy or andy clark, but i consider them all equally worthwhile for different reasons. enjoy.

trolled? marred your own favorite song? cmon. you didnt even get to discussing the actual song without reading out the specs for it. so was it even really about the song, or is it about you going out of your way to show the technical side of it, and wishin to get props for it? because if its the latter, then you're really not going to do yourself any favors in chiptune at all, and nobody is going to be quick to pat you on the back unless you are doing some shit that is more innovative then what xik was doing in 2004-2005, or if you wanna go further back, the kind of stuff that goto80 was doing when everybody was still kids. and no, this is not trolling. this is being as real as i can be with a stranger after walking you down a path of realizing why this kind of stuff is worse then the whole fakebit vs truebit debate and why if you want people to give your music a fair chance, then its best for you to distance yourself from your shocking reality that you're using some real hardware.

it gives no clemency to your music to talk about the technical side of it without even mentioning any aspects of the song itself. i was simply acting like any regular person with elementary knowledge in chiptune would respond to everything you said. i have to applaud you for not getting angry, but at the same time, i was trying to make you see that we really have no concern with the hardware vs the song itself. for example, if i wanted to write a tracker for the **************** (not gonna say this because i dont want to give anybody any ideas, see?), and decided that i was going to forge a path with something, i would not make it a big deal, i would not even mention i was using a ***********. i wouldnt even let people see that i was using it when i performed live, because i would want to keep the mystique of what i was doing seperate from the sound. understand where im coming from? with chip music, its really in your favor to keep some of your tricks under wraps. but you let the whole thing outta the bag and gave nobody a reason to even need to comment. 'what are these chips youre using? how are you doing this?'. this sort of thing.

if you want to have discussion about real vs emulated, theres other threads in which to do that. you didnt really need to do that when you're making a first post about a song, where you pretty much turned me off, and im sure you turned most other people off who read it the same way as i did. then you follow it up with saying you were joking? cmon guy. your delivery is what made me have no desire to listen. and i think its a very valid critique without even getting to the music, because all of us here are so fucking tired of that whole debate that it actually makes some of us angry to even see people talking about it, like it was a thing. if i turned other people off to your song with my response, then thats surely my bad, and you have my apologies, but i like to think that for the most part whenever this invariably comes up and somebody posts in this demeanor, i would have to say users who read this type of thread make a collective groan and go about their business, not paying any attention to it.

if you think you were trolled, you inadvertedly trolled yourself in your first post. i am sure you did not mean to do it, however your delivery had my first impression that you were somebody pulling our collective leg. if i had a dime for every time ive seen 'trubit 4evr' or some other disparaging remark thats put out there for people who arent 100% purist 8bit composer to read and say 'why do i even bother when theres people in this genre with this mentality', i would be able to buy a copy of nanoloop. we've all seen it so many times that its just a slap in the face now to a lot of people. but ill give you your way here. tell us honestly and succinctly, what makes your music good, better, or best because you use real hardware. from whatever the response you wrote me initially, i gathered that it seems to me like you're basically invalidating any point to using actual hardware to begin with and not realizing it. so tell us, and without requiring us to listen to the song, and without talking about castlevania 3 or soundchips or any shit like that, in laymens terms: what makes your music worth listening to? is it the hardware? or is that the joke? because if its real hardware, and that is your claim as to why its worth hearing, then by this logic the only chiptune thats worth listening to is chiptune that was written using either a gameboy or a nes. tell me WHY. tell me WHAT about the music invokes inspiration in you, the person who wrote the song.

to give you a little bit of background about myself, i have written, recorded, and produced over 225 eps/lps/singles worth of material since 1997, a good majority of that is stuff thats 8bit in nature. if someone were to ask me this same somewhat loaded but valid question, my answer quite simply would be 'because fuck you'. i feel i have written enough material and put enough of it out there for a long enough time that i no longer need to work toward a new release, or a new sound or anything. i created what i wanted for myself, others appreciated it. so the music fully speaks for itself, without me needing to say a word. that is what i worked towards. for you or anybody else it can be different, and that is of course a good thing.

is there anything you can say about what you do to describe the mood without going into hardware, or a powerpak or how meticulously you worked on your song or expansions and actually, yknow, describe the music a little bit instead of talking about it like it's a program? nobody cares about this sort of stuff these days. its the summer, people want music, people dont want to be described to. they want a visceral experience out of chiptune music. just about everything that can be done in chiptune has been done in some way, shape or form.. i know because ive done heard and seen and did more than enough, and i still want more. people dont know or think to even consider hardware vs software or anything because we dont know who you are. and if we dont know you when you come in here, terms ablazin like we're supposed to, when we dont know you from adam, then maybe you shouldnt be surprised that you didnt make the impact that you expected. i was with you up until sid, opl2, 2a03...sounded cool. but then you had to go full nerd on it and make it not about the music and make it about the gimmick of it.

you used all these different english words to mechanically describe your art, but you did nothing to even mention stuff that is actually important to a listener, like influence for the song, mood, what its going to be used for, what you've done in the past. this sort of thing. give people a chance to listen to your music without talking over their heads or expecting them to care about spec. people dont care anymore, really. hell, the people who actually are at the forefront of innovating within chiptune dont even want to talk about it, because they want nothing inbetween the listener and the music. if you create something worthwhile, the last thing you want to do is make the listener feel like what you are making is 'too smart' for them, and thats how your posts read. so i had to take you down that path. i dont consider that trolling, because you didnt even understand what i was trying to get at. i hope that you can understand where i am coming from. the reason i am even taking the time to write this is so that maybe you can understand why i was prompt with you, or bothered with an initial response in the first place.

its hard for people who are doing it for no other reason then to be all k00lguy 'yeah real hardware!' i guess.

its part of making other people feel like they're so unique because they thought they were the first person ever to fart on a circuit bent speak and spell. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

here, i straightened out your punctuation in this one in order to make it a little funnier. page 3 usually requires some rough techniques

so would you say that the song has strong fakebit vibe to it?

i would have listened but you lost me with the 'emulation is for pansies' schtick, sorry