animalstyle
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So - anyone have any problems with too many tables in LSDJ - i have on occasion actually used this trick to slow the gameboy down a bit (its a little more organic sounding than using tempo controls) - but for this new tune i'm composing... i'm sort of having a problem with it.  basically i have a table on every channel.  one of the instruments in the WAV channel does not have a table - whatever.  so - i  was wondering if there might be a RAM mod to fix this or something.  like swapping out the RAM chips on the cart or the gameboy.  Might also allow for a higher BPM in LSDJ (which is a complaint i've heard before).  stupid idea?  impossible? CPU won't allow it?

Last edited by animalstyle (Jul 19, 2010 6:04 am)

low-gain
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Milwaukee, Wisconsin USA

and people give me shit for using a GBA SP.... >_< Now you know why.

nickmaynard
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rochester, ny

i've had problems with even really simple tables. in one song, the pulse channels both use the table 01 which only has a V01 command in it.

when the melodies get fast enough, the whole thing slows down.

but i'm thinking of switching to the gba sp as well. low-gain, do you notice much of a sound quality issue? i've read some places that say it sounds worse than a DMG and some places that say it sounds better.

low-gain
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V commands will eat processor speed like you wouldn't believe.

low-gain
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nickmaynard wrote:

but i'm thinking of switching to the gba sp as well. low-gain, do you notice much of a sound quality issue? i've read some places that say it sounds worse than a DMG and some places that say it sounds better.


Do you notice any issues on my album or any of my songs that you've heard?

e.s.c.
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sound quality of game boys can vary from unit pretty heavily, and also deciding which sounds "better" is awfully subjective
personally, i have nothing against the sound of SPs, just hate those headphone adapters (more the fact that a lot of them suck and it can be tough finding a good one that will stay in place well, so i usually use electrical tape to help hold it when i use one live)

Emar
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e.s.c. wrote:

sound quality of game boys can vary from unit pretty heavily

its ungodly! i just bought a second SP and it has a louder, more deafening whine :S (whereas my first one is nice and quiet)

akira^8GB
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animalstyle wrote:

i  was wondering if there might be a RAM mod to fix this or something.  like swapping out the RAM chips on the cart or the gameboy.  Might also allow for a higher BPM in LSDJ

This sounds like a CPU processing hog, not a RAM problem. That's why it works better on a Color or Advance.

Last edited by akira^8GB (Jul 19, 2010 1:57 pm)

BR1GHT PR1MATE
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i had talked to nex a while back about this exact problem (DMG processing limits)  when he was experimenting with switching DMG chips with ones from a supergameboy. from what i recall, he said there wasn't much that could be done, but i think he or bibin are probably the guys to talk to about it

if you need the DMG sound, a simple alternative might be to just split up the track onto 2 carts and link port 2 DMGs?




*good point kenobit, the SP sounds fine imho

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Kenobit
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BR1GHT PR1MATE wrote:

a simple alternative might be to split up the track onto 2 carts and link port 2 DMGs?

I wouldn't call that a simple alternative. I love my DMG, but if you want big tables go with a SP.

akira^8GB
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BR1GHT PR1MATE wrote:

he was experimenting with switching DMG chips with ones from a supergameboy. from what i recall, he said there wasn't much that could be done

That only changed the bootstrap. The CPU is identical.

There is of course something you can do to solve this: OVERCLOCK the stinkin' DMG.

low-gain
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Milwaukee, Wisconsin USA

a lot of the SP noise issues are simply old batteries.. get a new battery and you'll find them to be quite nice.

nickmaynard
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rochester, ny
low-gain wrote:

a lot of the SP noise issues are simply old batteries.. get a new battery and you'll find them to be quite nice.

http://www.ncsxshop.com/cgi-bin/shop/CY-PBSP-BK.html

i'm probably going to get this one.

arottenbit
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A gameboy color is fine too.

edit:
It is easly backlit-able and with a prosound mod you can remove kinda all the noises.

Last edited by arottenbit (Jul 19, 2010 4:40 pm)

BR1GHT PR1MATE
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the sound on the color is a bit thin for live stuff if you are running directly to the mixer (just my opinion), but I have had really good results by putting some compression/reverb and EQ-ing to cut down on the treble. if you have a noise gate, the hiss is DESTROYED. GBCs can sound awesome!! plus, those cheap worm lights are like 2 dollars and are super bright ;D

sorry if this is kind of a derail, im guessing animalstyle knows most of this, haha

arfink
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A hint to all the people complaining about noise in their sound- gameboys are old. They have capacitors and other components inside which deteriorate. They run on batteries put through DC-DC converters which can be notoriously noisy. So yeah, the amount of abuse your gameboy has taken is a far greater aspect of noise production than model. A re-cap job and possibly replacing or upgrading the PSU will, in nearly all instances, kill the noise. I have worked with old computers and such for a long time, and those two things cause probably %90 of problems in old electronics, including gameboys.