sandneil wrote:jefftheworld wrote:If Cyrstal Castles had sampled just a snare drum and then sequenced their own drum patterns, yeah that would totally have been fine. That's not what happened, though. Maybe do the research before you get all snarky about it.
i know what happened & its irrelevant "how much" they used. unless you hate also all artists who used the amen break in their songs? no, you dont, because soul music isnt Your Scene.
likewise you dont hate all people who uploads songs to youtube. only when its Your Songs. and maybe you even think copyright law is really cool, until nintendo tries to get Your Flash Carts banned in the EU, until the guy who made the miles davis comp gets sued by miles davis' photographer
im just t rying to highlight the victim complex that chip music has. isnt it a little naive to suppose that "we" are all on the right side of the law all the time & that it only serves to protect us from the CRIMINALS intent on destroying our scene & PARASITES who exist only to profit from our hard work?
what is the reasoning here? you want a monopoly on distribution of your own music? people can only get it DIRECT FROM THE SOURCE? why? what benefit is there to have things taken off youtube
theres an album on temp sounds solutions bandcamp called "remixes volume 12". is there not some contradiction to make twelve albums of bootleg remixes and then cry wolf when someone puts your freely released music on youtube?
I don't have any problem with people uploading or remixing my own music, I personally think that stuff is cool.
What I don't like is that we're moving towards a culture that seems to feel entitled to all the rights of a piece of music. TSS did not release under CC and he has every right to choose to do so.
People shouldn't get mad that he has chosen to manage his music right and his youtube presence himself.
As for "sampling" culture, I think there is a big difference in how much of the original is used and the context. If you compare "Amen, Brother" to any given jungle song there's not a lot of creative cross-over. You can't easily argue that Gregory Coleman's original authorship or intent is being ripped off.
Some of Crystal Castle's samples in the controversy were total rip-offs (Insecticon vs Lo-bat) while the Covox sample is admittedly more grey. Unlike the Amen Break, the beat from Covox is mostly unaltered and is used in a similar work.
You claim that I have some sort of victim complex here? I argue the opposite. Soon after I started making music, I stopped nearly all my pirating. Software, music, what-have-you. Unless it's totally impossible to acquire otherwise, I pay for the IP that I use. So do I support people who illegally upload music to youtube? No, why would I?
I very much believe in the copyleft, I very much believe in the new paradigm of the digital market, but I don't believe in forcing it on those who do not wish to conform. That's just shitty.
TL;DR: I believe that people aught to respect an author's rights to their own content. Sure, copyleft works for me and I'll always throw up torrents and share and modify my music around as much as possible (see my last release, "Do Copy This Floppy") but why force your beliefs on someone and tread on their rights in doing so?